Saturday, June 14, 2008

Global Warming Indoctrination -- The New Stupidity

Global Warming and the Price of a Gallon of Gas

You may want to give credit where credit is due the next time you fill your car with gasoline. There is a direct connection between Global Warming and $4-a- gallon gas. It is shocking, but true, to learn that the entire Global Warming frenzy is based on the environmentalist’s attack on fossil fuels, particularly gasoline. Thank you Al Gore. Keep up the good work and soon we'll pay $6 a gallon.

This big time science, international meetings, thick research papers, dire threats for the future boils down to their claim that the carbon dioxide in the exhaust from your car and in the smoke stacks from our power plants is destroying the climate of planet Earth. What an amazing fraud! What a scam!

The future of our civilization lies in the balance -- says the chief crackpot.

That’s the battle cry of the High Priest of Global Warming Al Gore and his disciples as they predict a calamitous outcome from anthropogenic global warming. According to Mr. Gore the polar ice caps will collapse and melt and sea levels will rise 20 feet inundating the coastal cities making 100 million of us refugees.

Vice President Gore tells us numerous Pacific islands will be totally submerged and uninhabitable. He tells us global warming will disrupt the circulation of the ocean waters, dramatically changing climates, throwing the world food supply into chaos. He tells us global warming will turn hurricanes into super storms, produce droughts, wipe out the polar bears and result in bleaching of coral reefs. He tells us tropical diseases will spread to mid latitudes and heat waves will kill tens of thousands. He preaches to us that we must change our lives and eliminate fossil fuels or face the dire consequences. The future of our civilization is in the balance.

With a preacher’s zeal warning of the approaching Biblical Apocalypse, Mr. Gore talks of terror and tells hapless, scientifically illiterate people that we are all complicit in the destruction of the planet and the end of the life we know.

It's time for a rebuttal.

There is no significant man-made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind’s activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.

Since its creation, paleoclimatologists say Earth has shifted between two basic climate extremes: ice ages and “Interglacial Periods”.

For the past 10,000 years the Earth has been in an Interglacial Period. Nature, not man, is warming the Earth. In those periods glaciers melt and life flourishes. Clearly, from our point of view, an interglacial period beats the deadly rigors of an ice age. But Al Gore and his crowd would have us believe that the activities of man have overwhelmed Nature during this interglacial period and are producing unprecedented, out-of-control warming.

Nonsense. There was a significant worldwide natural warming trend in the 1980’s and 1990’s as a Solar Cycle, with lots of sunspots and solar flares, peaked. That ended in 1998. Since then the Sun has gone quiet, emitting fewer and fewer Sun spots, and global temperatures have gone into decline. Earth has cooled for almost ten straight years. Al, where’s the global warming?

The cooling trend is so strong that recently the head of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to acknowledge it. He speculated that nature has temporarily overwhelmed mankind’s warming and it may be ten years or so before the warming returns. Really?

Al wants to create panic about man-made global warming. But analysis shows the purportedly apocalyptic trend is taking a ten-year break due to a lack of Solar activity, a lack of Sun Spots. If this weren’t so serious, it would be laughable.

What about the science behind the global warming frenzy? Thousands of pages of research papers, including huge documents published by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, complicated math and complex theories all point to ONE culprit. Carbon Dioxide. An increase in Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels. Carbon Dioxide, that’s it.

Hello Al Gore; Hello UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The science is flawed; the hypothesis is wrong; the data is manipulated. And the scare tactics are deplorable. The Earth does not have a fever. Carbon dioxide does not cause significant global warming.

The focus on atmospheric carbon dioxide grew out a study by Roger Revelle who was an esteemed scientist at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute. He moved to Harvard and allowed his students to help him process the data for his paper. One of those students was Al Gore. That is where Gore got caught up in this global warming frenzy. Revelle’s paper linked the increases in carbon dioxide, CO2, in the atmosphere with warming. It labeled CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

Charles Keeling, another researcher at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute, set up a system to make continuous CO2 measurements. His graph of these increases has now become known as the Keeling Curve. When Charles Keeling died in 2005, his son David, also at Scripps, took over the measurements.

Here is what the Keeling curve shows: an increase in CO2 from 315 parts per million in 1958 to 385 parts per million today, an increase of 70 parts per million or about 20 percent.

All the computer models, all of the other findings, all of the other angles of study, all come back to and are based on CO2 as a significant greenhouse gas. It is not.

Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. It has been there since time began. It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans. It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis. Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it. Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.

The UN IPCC has attracted billions of dollars for the research that argues CO2 is the culprit of run-away, man-made global warming. Scientists have developed complex, creative theories requiring elaborate calculations performed by massive computer models that -- surprise, surprise -- agree with the original apocalyptic hypotheses that attracted the billions of research dollars. This passes as proof.

Global Warming Scientists present us with a concept they call radiative forcing. Research organizations and scientists who are building careers on this theory crank out the research papers. Then the IPCC holds big conferences at exotic places, such as the recent conference in Bali. Scientists endorse each other’s papers, which are summarized and voted on and -- surprise, surprise -- the self-serving, log-rolling voters assert that global warming is going to kill us all unless we stop burning fossil fuels.

A few historical facts. The internal combustion engine and gasoline were big polluters at first. Gasoline engines continued to produce smog through the 1960’s. Then science and engineering came to the environmental rescue. Better exhaust and ignition systems, catalytic converters, fuel injectors, better engineering throughout the engine and reformulated gasoline have all contributed to a huge reduction in the exhaust emissions from today’s cars.

At first, gasoline engines exhausted carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and water vapor without restraint, leading to a pall of smog hanging over most US cities. It's different now; most city air is clean by all health measures as a result of the improvements made to internal combustion engines and to pollution control. The environmentalists -- in their battle against fossil fuels and automobiles -- were aimed at a good target forty years ago. No longer. Now they have targeted carbon dioxide. That is the rub. Carbon dioxide is not an environmental problem; they just want you now to think it is.

Many independent research projects have shown that CO2 is NOT creating a major greenhouse effects and is NOT causing an increase in temperatures. Nevertheless, environmentalists have subjected us to an intense campaign claiming that burning of fossil fuels dooms the planet to run-away global warming. A myth. The new Flat-Earth proposition.

Why has the global warming fraud, with all its predictions of dire consequences, become so widely believed, accepted and regarded as a real threat to planet Earth? That is the most amazing part of the story.

First, Global Warming has the backing of the United Nations, a major world force. Second, it has the backing of a former Vice President. Third, it has the endorsement of Hollywood. Fourth, environmentalists realize it's a money-maker. Thus, due to the persuasive power of environmentalists, the UN, Al Gore, Hollywood and some profit-seekers predicting the arrival of Doomsday if we ignore their warnings, the naive and credulous media has opened itself to this new religion.

The media loves a crisis. From YK2 to killer bees, our media thrives and excels when the opportunity to magnify fear arises. In addition to gullibility, naivete and credulity, add the liberal bias of our media into reporting and every snowstorm becomes the start of a new Ice Age. With Al Gore, the UN, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The LA Times, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press all baying in unison about the Global Warming peril, how can people think straight? It's tough.

Who stands against that flood of babble? Not politicians. Almost every Governor, most Senators and most Congress people, both candidates for President, and most other elected officials on all levels of government are all riding the Al Gore Global Warming express. That is one crowded bus.

On the other hand, on May 20th, a list of over 31,000 scientists who refute global warming was released. Thirty-one thousand of which 9,000 are Ph.ds. Thirty-one thousand. That dwarfs the supposed 2,500 scientists on the UN panel. In the past year, 500 scientists have issued public statements challenging global warming. A few more join the opposition every week. There are about 100 defectors from the UN IPCC. There was an International Conference of Climate Change Skeptics in New York in March of this year. One hundred gave presentations. Attendance was limited to 600 people. Every seat was taken. There are a half dozen excellent internet sites that debunk global warming.

The battle against fossil fuels has controlled policy in this country for decades. Because of it tapping known oil reserves and building new refineries has been blocked. Where did that get us? To where we are today -- with gas at $4 a gallon. Self-induced tight supplies have reminded Americans of the link between supply and demand. Gasoline prices have soared because global demand for oil is high -- and rising.

Then there is the bungling of ethanol. The ethanol folly is creating a food crisis throughput the world – it is behind the food price rises for all the grains, for cereals, bread, everything that relies on corn or soy or wheat, including animals that are fed corn, most processed foods that use corn oil or soybean oil or corn syrup. Food shortages or high costs have led to food riots in some third world countries and made the cost of eating out or at home budget-busting for many.

The global warming myth has led to surges in both energy and food prices. We pay for it every time we fill our gas tanks. We pay again at the supermarket. Not only is it running up gasoline prices, it has changed government policy impacting our taxes, our utility bills and the entire focus of government funding. Worse still, Congress is considering a cap-and-trade carbon credits policy. Citizens will pay needlessly for that, too. The cap-and-trade plan will do one thing: add more costs. It is impossible to lower aggregate energy needs. Thus, a cap-and-trade program will collect more fees from those who must have more energy. Thus, everyone will feel the pinch in taxes and the price of goods and services. But AGGREGATE energy use will NEVER decrease. NEVER.

Thus, the Global Warming hysteria is, indeed, threatening our civilization. Not because global warming is real; it is not. But because people are easily duped into believing the cartoonish Doomsday predictions amplified thorugh a bi-polar media that alternates between fear and smug superiority. Chicken Littles and Al "God" Gore. Is it possible for humans to act any sillier? Yes. But the current silliness is enough for now.

297 Comments:

Blogger Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

global warming is possible, and the opposite ever read of wurum I and II

12:20 AM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

Since its formation, the Earth has felt temperature change. It has always happened -- starting with the Big Bang, when the whole planet was a ball of magma, till now, a planet that supports more life than ever.

The problem with Global Warming is the FACT that the concept is CONTRIVED. A natural event has been given a name that implies DOOM. There's a reason that Science Fiction and Horror stories appeal to human minds -- humans are easily fooled and they enjoy the experience, even when they believe the terror-inducing fears are tied to real threats.

But Global Warming is not a threat. About 30 years ago, the Chicken Littles were running for cover from the widely expected Global Cooling. A big part of the worry was tied to the expectation of a Nuclear Winter -- a new Ice Age caused by malfunctions of nuclear power plants as well the the possibility of further cooling in the aftermath of the detonation of a few nuclear bombs.

Aside from Global Cooling, Americans and others were once over-riden with anxiety about Over-Population. Paul Erdman, a well know economist wrote The Population Bomb, which predicted huges global problems from the existence of too many people.

Since 1800, when Thomas Malthus started this silly claim, the world's population has always managed to feed itself. That fact is self-evident. There were less than ONE billion people on Earth in 1800. There are now 6.5 billion, and it is reasonable to predict a global population of 9 billion by 2050.

Feeding the population requires nothing more than sane governments -- which means democracies. Countries that are not democracies are likely to suffer food shortages. Democracies will not have any shortages. It's that simple.

3:40 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

torrance,

I have never heard of wurum I and II.

Moreover, I can't find anything about "wurum" on google. Perhaps you spelled it incorrectly.

3:44 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

Global warming is real. The Earth warms and cools like you said. Now the way the politicians and gov. are spinning "global warming" is contrived. What a play on the people's ignorance right?

We're not even in a warming period right now.

I have a feeling the globalists will push the carbon taxes through in an attempt to de-industrialize the nations and redistribute wealth...

7:14 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay midnyte,

I have no idea if your statements about global warming are serious or not.

But, if you think that "globalists" are convincing people to believe in global warming as a ruse to take over the world, you are showing your affection for conspiracy theories.

However, it is TRUE that the ONLY way to impose Al Gore-Global Warming Solutions on the 6.5 billion people on Earth is with a global government. But that government would have to be the most repressive and brutal regime in the history of humanity.

Don't worry. It won't happen.

ALL humans are using more energy -- individually. Thus, total global energy usage will continue to increase.

Each person is using more energy, and the number of people is growing. Hence, it's a one-way trip for energy.

Even using energy more efficiently will not offset the impact or more people PLUS the increasing ways in which we use energy.

Computer data centers are huge users NOW. As long as the population of the world is growing, the need for transporations energy will increase.

But a brutal global government is NOT in the cards, though it is an ambition of islam.

12:29 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

I said I agree with you. The Earth warms and cools... so in a warming period you can call it "global warming." But "global warming" isn't scientifically proven to be caused by humans, for the simple fact that "global warming" occurred before humans existed.

1:21 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay midnyte,

Words are tricky.

When someone says "global warming" is happening, or "global warming" is NOT happening, the term "global warming" has a specific meaning.

The use of that word combination implies an increase in atmospheric temperature due to human activity, specifically, burning oil.

To remove that implied meaning, the writer must use a different phrase -- like "the heating of the Earth's atmosphere."

The writer must realize that readers are unpredictable. ANY ambiguity caused by the writer will distort the image in the mind of the reader. Thus, the writer can easily fail to make his point.

1:34 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

"When someone says "global warming" is happening, or "global warming" is NOT happening, the term "global warming" has a specific meaning.

The use of that word combination implies an increase in atmospheric temperature due to human activity, specifically, burning oil."

That's my point... the phrase "global warming" has a negative connotation because of how it used and manipulated. But in actuality, "global warming" and "global cooling" literally mean just that.

----

On globalism: How do you feel about these quotes by David Rockefeller?

1:49 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay midnyte, you wrote:

"That's my point... the phrase "global warming" has a negative connotation because of how it used and manipulated. But in actuality, "global warming" and "global cooling" literally mean just that.

The term "global warming" is positive to some and negative to others. You are making the mistake of interpreting the phrase for all readers.

The MEANING is standard -- as I said, it means temperature change caused by human activity.

But the interpretation of that meaning is another tricky issue.

For the believers, it has a positive side -- it conveys, with two words, a powerful concept.

For opponents, it also has a positive side -- it simplies the rebuttal.

2:17 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

No. the definition of "global warming" is a literal one. Definitions

"The term "global warming" is positive to some and negative to others. You are making the mistake of interpreting the phrase for all readers."

True. So did you read those quotes?

2:28 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

Jay, some of the purported Rockefeller quotes are laughable, and some are most likely outright fictions.

Some quotes were attributed to J.D. Rockefeller who died about 1930.

As for David Rockefeller claiming he does not pay income taxes, well, that's one of the funnier quotes. HOwever, if his portion of the family trusts is invested in tax-free bonds, he might, in fact, pay very little. So what?

Rockefeller family members live in areas with the highest property taxes in the country. They've sold off a lot of personal land over the years because that.

Meanwhile, they do spend money -- which means they pay sales taxes and every other form of tax levied on commercial activities.

If addition, the stuff about the Bilderbergs is a joke.

I think you are showing additional willingness to accept conspiracy theories. But given the realities on Planet Earth, it should be rather obvious that the best any group can hope for is to have some small effect on a few events here and there.

Clearly, if money and power were the goal, then the greatest riches would accrue from the state of peace and the growth of worldwide prosperity.

The major destablizing force in the world today is Islam. If you want quotes about global ambitions and the desire to control human existence, check with leading gasbags from the Islamic world.

2:33 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay,

People who believe in Global Warming have a positive view of the term. Their feeling positive BECAUSE the term suggests something negative.

It gives them a cause. Something to fight about. For them, that makes it positive. But they want to bring harm to virtually every American due to a belief in a concept that is doing no harm today.

They are obsessed with this problem, which they believe will cause problems in the distant future.

Meanwhile, the same people have NO interest in stopping the ONE MILLION annual deaths of children under the age of 5 who die from drinking unclear water in Africa.

We are top-notch at cleaning drinking water. That's why no one dies from the water in the US and other advanced nations.

Filthy, disease-carrying water is a problem on the entire African continent -- TODAY.

It's an easy problem to solve -- or, it would be if African nations were democracies. But dictators never care about these things because that's how dictators are.

2:49 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay,

People who believe in Global Warming have a positive view of the term. Their feeling positive BECAUSE the term suggests something negative.

It gives them a cause. Something to fight about. For them, that makes it positive. But they want to bring harm to virtually every American due to a belief in a concept that is doing no harm today.

They are obsessed with this problem, which they believe will cause problems in the distant future.

Meanwhile, the same people have NO interest in stopping the ONE MILLION annual deaths of children under the age of 5 who die from drinking unclear water in Africa.

We are top-notch at cleaning drinking water. That's why no one dies from the water in the US and other advanced nations.

Filthy, disease-carrying water is a problem on the entire African continent -- TODAY.

It's an easy problem to solve -- or, it would be if African nations were democracies. But dictators never care about these things because that's how dictators are.

2:49 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

Why are you so scared of Muslims??? Are you a victim of the brainwashing meant to convince people that there is a large group of people intent on destroying Americans, America, or Christians???

Would you not hate America if they were responsible for the deaths of millions of people in the middle east over time??? The bully is always the most hated.

Or do you fit into Malcolm X's description of a house negro?

"If you're afraid of black nationalism, you're afraid of revolution. And if you love revolution, you love black nationalism. To understand this, you have to go back to what the young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro back during slavery. There were two kinds of slaves, the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes — they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good because they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved the master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house — quicker than the master would. If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro."

7:16 PM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

"...This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America, this good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa."

7:18 PM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay, yo wrote:

"Why are you so scared of Muslims???"

Again, you've got the language wrong. "Scared" is the wrong word.

I can tell from your question that you know little or nothing about muslims, islam and what the spread of this religion means to the US.

Robert Kennedy was assassinated by a muslim in 1968. Sirhan Sirhan -- Kennedy's killer -- won the approval of Yasser Arafat, head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, for killing Kennedy.

About 1,000 innocent American citizens were murdered by muslim terrorists BEFORE 9/11. These killings were driven by religious ideology and are committed with the tacit approval of virtually every muslim government in the world.

If muslims or muslim countries are in disagreement with the US about any international issue, it is a lot smarter for them to negotiate with the US government rather than kill innocent citizens.

Furthermore, aside from Iraq and Afghanistan, it's bizarre to think that muslim nations are suffering due to US activities when our chief connection to muslim countries is through running their oil industries and giving them billions of dollars every year.

You might consider that Toyota and Honda build some of their cars here in the US. Toyota and Honda take business away from GM, Ford and Chrysler, but Americans have not killed anyone from either of the foreign car companies even though both are profiting at our expense.

You asked:

"Are you a victim of the brainwashing meant to convince people that there is a large group of people intent on destroying Americans, America, or Christians???"

First, "brainwashing" is a myth. There is no such thing. Second, it is a simple fact that islam and its followers oppose Freedom, Democracy, Capitalism, Plurality and Equality.

They are happy to tell you that what I've written is true. The facts are obvious, and you can visit their countries to see for yourself. I have.

But don't bring a Bible.

Another point. I worked in the World Trade Center. My office was on the 47th floor of Tower One, the first building hit on 9/11. A number of people I knew died that day. I'm still pissed off about the attack.

You asked:

"Would you not hate America if they were responsible for the deaths of millions of people in the middle east over time???"

First, where did you get the preposterous idea the US is responsible for millions of deaths in the middle east?

The number of Civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan is a small number. The cause of civilian deaths in both countries is muslim terrorism, like yesterday, when a muslim suicide bomber killed about 50 people in Baghdad. It may be news to you, but muslims don't like it when other muslims commit suicide bombings. However, they do approve of killing non-muslims that way.

The US dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Nevertheless, our relationship with Japan is excellent. The US converted Japan into a democracy with great success.

We destroyed much of Germany with conventional bombs during WWII and we completely restructured their government, which took 7 years after the shooting stopped in 1945. Germany is one of our greatest allies even though the American military killed a huge number of German civilians.

You should learn a little more about the realities of post-war existence throughout history. Your views on these subjects are naive at best.

You said:

"The bully is always the most hated."

Who's the bully? Iran and Iraq fought a war from 1980 to 1988 that took a million muslim lives. The US was nowhere near the battlefields.

Meanwhile, wars are NOT boxing matches. The idea of a "fair fight" is ridiculous. You want to scare the enemy into surrendering BEFORE the shooting starts -- an option given to Saddam Hussein even AFTER the US invasion began. But he chose to let his regime collapse, which occurred after three weeks of fighting in 2003.

In other words, Saddam Hussein cared so little for the Iraqi people that he brought the worst possible fate upon the country. Instead of surrenduring BEFORE the shooting started, he allowed Iraq to fall apart. What a guy!

Anyway, you seem to have missed the point that the US decided to invade Iraq to change the entire middle east. Iraq -- as a newly formed Democracy -- will lead the other middle east nations into a prosperous and FREE future.

When al Qaeda is driven from Iraq, the country will stabilize and prosper from growing oil revenue. The success of Iraq will start the other middle east nations on the path to democracy. That's the goal. If the goal is reached, George Bush will become known as one of the world's greatest leaders.

1:13 AM  
Blogger Jay Midnyte said...

Laughing-my-motherfucking-ass-off

You said:

"... it is a simple fact that islam and its followers oppose Freedom, Democracy, Capitalism, Plurality and Equality."

"Anyway, you seem to have missed the point that the US decided to invade Iraq to change the entire middle east. Iraq -- as a newly formed Democracy -- will lead the other middle east nations into a prosperous and FREE future."

"When al Qaeda is driven from Iraq, the country will stabilize and prosper from growing oil revenue. The success of Iraq will start the other middle east nations on the path to democracy. That's the goal. If the goal is reached, George Bush will become known as one of the world's greatest leaders."





Great plan!

1:52 AM  
Blogger no_slappz said...

jay,

Based on the credulity you've expressed in your response, I gather you are unaware that Iraq is now holding democratic elections and is on its way to becoming a fully-fledged democracy.

Left-leaning people are so disturbed by this development that they pretend it is not true.

Second, the Iraqi oil industry under Saddam was going down hill. He did not re-invest and build the oil industry, choosing instead, the squander the revenue obtained from selling Iraq's ever-declining oil production on maintaining his despotic regime. That's what dictators do. They spend the national treasure to keep themselves in power.

Iraqi oil production was once 4 million barrels a day. At the end of Saddam's regime, it had dropped to 2 million barrels a day. However, with proper management, Iraq would easily produce 6 million barrels a day -- injecting a huge amount of cash into the Iraqi economy.

The math is pretty simple. Six million barrels a day at $100 a barrel is $600 million PER DAY flowing into the Iraqi economy. That's $220 billion PER YEAR for Iraq.

Of course, if Iraq were producing 6 million barrels a day and the US increases domestic production as John McCain intends, world oil prices would decline. But it's impossible to know their future levels.

Anyway, Germany and Japan were both dictatorships with ambitions and desires to rule the world. The US and our allies kicked the crap out of both countries, beating them into UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.

We then spent 7 additional years -- 1945-1952 -- in both countries converting them into capitalistic democracies. The efforts were successful beyond everyone's wildest dreams.

The situation is similar in Korea. The US repelled the North Korean invasion of South Korea in the war, which lasted from 1951 to 1953. At the end of the war we stationed 40,000 troops on the border between the two countries. Then we converted South Korea into a capitalistic democracy, which, once again, has succeeded beyond our wildest expectations.

There are still 30,000 US troops on the border between the two countries because without those troops, North Korea would invade again.

Then there are the muslim countries of the world. Even the oil-rich countries are countries of mostly poor people. Odd, isn't it? All that oil and all that poverty.

What do you think explains the poverty of the people who live in muslim countries?

What explains the fact that muslims have economies that produce NOTHING?

There are no islamic car manufacturers, no computer makers, not steel companies, nothing.

Every product found in muslim countries is imported. They are incompetent because they put adherence to religion above everything else. It shows.

Then there is the fact that women in muslim countries have the same status as your "house negro."

Anyway, Iraq has the potential to become a prosperous and peaceful nation that is a magnet to muslims looking for opportunity. But your attitude suggests you believe such outcomes are bad or undesirable. Strange. Especially strange considering the US fought the Civil War to end slavery.

Lincoln had the option of doing nothing and standing aside while the Confederacy was created. Lincoln and Congress could have overseen the division of the US into two separate nations -- one free and one permitting slavery. That strategy would have saved about 600,000 lives (the Civil War death toll). What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea?

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