The Next Major Hasan? The Next Fort Hood?
The following news article should provoke a lot of worry.
In New York City, a high school student set several fires at the school he attends. Like many acts of foolishness committed by teenagers, setting these fires might, under other circumstances, appear to be the acts of a troubled kid who will get back on the right track with a little guidance.
Or maybe not.
Who is this kid? Mohammad Hassan.
What school does he attend? The top public high school in New York City, a school that requires every student to pass a tough entrance exam. Graduates of this school -- Stuyvesant High School -- all go to college and most of them go to the nation's top colleges.
One more thing. The school is about two blocks from Ground Zero. The World Trade Center site.
Is Mohammad Hassan just a troubled teen? Or is he an emerging jihadist? A mixed-up kid? Or the next Major Hasan. Will Stuyvesant High School become the next Fort Hood? Or will the school expel him? Will the NY City Department of Education demand a complete psychiatric examination of this fire bug? Or will too many people feel restrained by political correctness to demand the kind of action this case needs?
Elite school 'firebug' bust
November 21, 2009
A 16-year-old Stuyvesant HS junior is suspected of setting nine small fires over the past week at the top-ranked school.
Mohammed Hassan of The Bronx was charged with felony reckless endangerment and misdemeanor arson. The top charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years.
There is video evidence in two of the fires, the only ones the tall, seemingly shy kid was charged with, cops said.
Both were ignited in trash cans in boys' rooms on different floors within minutes of each other on Tuesday. Hassan is allegedly seen on surveillance tape going in and out of the bathrooms before the fires were discovered.
Cops suspect he is responsible for a total of nine small blazes, including one set Friday the 13th in a boy's room.
Hassan remains free on $2,500 bail. His lawyer, Kevin Faga, told The Post that the videos catch more than one boy going in and out of the restroom, and that Hassan did not set the fires.
A 16-year-old Stuyvesant HS junior is suspected of setting nine small fires over the past week at the top-ranked school.
Mohammed Hassan of The Bronx was charged with felony reckless endangerment and misdemeanor arson. The top charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years.
There is video evidence in two of the fires, the only ones the tall, seemingly shy kid was charged with, cops said.
Both were ignited in trash cans in boys' rooms on different floors within minutes of each other on Tuesday. Hassan is allegedly seen on surveillance tape going in and out of the bathrooms before the fires were discovered.
Cops suspect he is responsible for a total of nine small blazes, including one set Friday the 13th in a boy's room.
Hassan remains free on $2,500 bail. His lawyer, Kevin Faga, told The Post that the videos catch more than one boy going in and out of the restroom, and that Hassan did not set the fires.
In New York City, a high school student set several fires at the school he attends. Like many acts of foolishness committed by teenagers, setting these fires might, under other circumstances, appear to be the acts of a troubled kid who will get back on the right track with a little guidance.
Or maybe not.
Who is this kid? Mohammad Hassan.
What school does he attend? The top public high school in New York City, a school that requires every student to pass a tough entrance exam. Graduates of this school -- Stuyvesant High School -- all go to college and most of them go to the nation's top colleges.
One more thing. The school is about two blocks from Ground Zero. The World Trade Center site.
Is Mohammad Hassan just a troubled teen? Or is he an emerging jihadist? A mixed-up kid? Or the next Major Hasan. Will Stuyvesant High School become the next Fort Hood? Or will the school expel him? Will the NY City Department of Education demand a complete psychiatric examination of this fire bug? Or will too many people feel restrained by political correctness to demand the kind of action this case needs?
Elite school 'firebug' bust
November 21, 2009
A 16-year-old Stuyvesant HS junior is suspected of setting nine small fires over the past week at the top-ranked school.
Mohammed Hassan of The Bronx was charged with felony reckless endangerment and misdemeanor arson. The top charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years.
There is video evidence in two of the fires, the only ones the tall, seemingly shy kid was charged with, cops said.
Both were ignited in trash cans in boys' rooms on different floors within minutes of each other on Tuesday. Hassan is allegedly seen on surveillance tape going in and out of the bathrooms before the fires were discovered.
Cops suspect he is responsible for a total of nine small blazes, including one set Friday the 13th in a boy's room.
Hassan remains free on $2,500 bail. His lawyer, Kevin Faga, told The Post that the videos catch more than one boy going in and out of the restroom, and that Hassan did not set the fires.
A 16-year-old Stuyvesant HS junior is suspected of setting nine small fires over the past week at the top-ranked school.
Mohammed Hassan of The Bronx was charged with felony reckless endangerment and misdemeanor arson. The top charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years.
There is video evidence in two of the fires, the only ones the tall, seemingly shy kid was charged with, cops said.
Both were ignited in trash cans in boys' rooms on different floors within minutes of each other on Tuesday. Hassan is allegedly seen on surveillance tape going in and out of the bathrooms before the fires were discovered.
Cops suspect he is responsible for a total of nine small blazes, including one set Friday the 13th in a boy's room.
Hassan remains free on $2,500 bail. His lawyer, Kevin Faga, told The Post that the videos catch more than one boy going in and out of the restroom, and that Hassan did not set the fires.
posted by no_slappz at 5:21 PM
211 Comments:
anonymous, if there were no video evidence and the kid were the victim of some unkind students hoping to smear him, that would be one thing.
But the video coverage is compelling and hard to escape. If he had gone into the bathrooms, saw smoke in a trash barrel and pulled a fire alarm, things might be different. But it appears he did something else.
Anyway, the video cameras are not capable of "racial profiling".
As for you, well, you are an unknown quantity. I have no idea if you are what your comments suggest, or you are full of crap.
Mainly, you have NO credibility.
Feel free to post whatever you want.
At this point, I believe Mohammad Hassan is a future jihadist. Hopefully investigators will look into any mosques he and his parents frequent, and check the people with whom he trades e-mails.
no_slappz
You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know anything about him, so don't go saying he will grow up to be a jihadist. You have NO credibility on the matter and you are full of crap.
The suspected arsonist is a very close friend of mine, and I know he would not do this. How do I know?
How do you know your father isn't planning on becoming a jihadist?
By the way, what is a "jihadist"?
zk, you wrote:
"You have no idea what you are talking about."
Really? The kid was arrested for starting fires in school. While there is a possibility the contents of the trash cans spontaneously burst into flames while he was in the bathroom, the fact that it happened more than once has alarmed many people.
You wrote:
"You don't know anything about him, so don't go saying he will grow up to be a jihadist."
I know what's relevant. He was arrested for setting fires at Stuyvesant. I do not care about his grade-point average or his favorite subject.
You wrote:
"You have NO credibility on the matter and you are full of crap."
Then why are you bothered by this post?
You wrote:
"The suspected arsonist is a very close friend of mine, and I know he would not do this."
You know nothing and it is more likely that you have never met the kid.
You wrote:
"How do I know?"
You don't, so don't bother to pretend otherwise.
You asked:
"How do you know your father isn't planning on becoming a jihadist?"
A few reasons. He has no psychological disorders. He has no irrational feelings of hate. He has never been a muslim.
But there is one other factor that settles the issue. He is dead.
You asked:
"By the way, what is a "jihadist"?"
When I use the term, it refers to a muslim who has decided it is his time to kill as many people as possible, and, if possible, the victims should be non-muslims.
zk, you wrote:
"The suspected arsonist is a very close friend of mine..."
Really? What mosque do he and his parents attend?
I attend Stuyvesant High School, your accusations are absolutely repulsive. There is no proof that he instigated all the fires, and when he was being held by the administration, several fires were started. There are obviously more than one person in my school starting fires, and i doubt that this is to instigated a "holy war", and that the other people are muslims.
You are simply a filthy racist, and your accusations make me sick to my stomach.
This kid is not going to be a fucking jihadist.
The media is exaggerating this, if this was a nice white boy from the upper east side, i dont suppose we'd have this blog war. I'd assume the boy would be sent to juvy for a week or to a nice rehab center for troubled teens in the Hamptons.
But no, this is absolute racism and disgraceful.
If this kid is responsible, he should be held accountable.
But if he wasn't even proven guilty yet, the media should not be sensationalizing him
and if his last name was Smith, you wouldnt be either.
You should be ashamed.
HEY ASSHOLE,
YOUR POST MAKES ME VOMIT.
YOU ARE DISGUSTING- THE VERY EPITOME OF THE DOUCHEBAGS THAT AMERICA NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AGAINST.
How dare you insinuate that because he is muslim he is a jihadist?
If found guilty (KEYWORD: IF), Mohammed will be expelled- not just from Stuyvesant, but from the NYC Public School System in general.
I'd like to point out that despite all your profound patriotic American glory, you fail to realize a key component of our democracy (and all modern democracies): THOSE ACCUSED ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Aside from proving just how un-American you are, you also prove that you, sir, are a fucking idiot. Learn the constitution, learn the bill of rights before you go off blasting nonsense on your silly little blog.
I am a student at Stuyvesant and I find it extremely offensive to all those who have suffered because of the attacks on the World Trade Center that you would dare insinuate that some kid starting fires at Stuy is the slippery slope to him being a jihadist. I am not muslim- in fact, I am jewish- so, I'd suggest that you not go off spewing some more racist bullshit about how it's a muslim conspiracy and how the only kids who support Mohammed are muslims. It's bullshit. You have no argument.
You should be ashamed of yourself- both as an American and as a human being. You're not fighting against the system by not being politically correct: you're merely displaying yourself for the worthless piece of shit you really are.
No_slappz, good day and I thank you for your time to comment on this issue. First off, I'm sorry for the offensive language used by my fellow peers. I appreciate of how you refrained from profanity in your responses.
What concerns me is the racism of your comments. You dont know the motif of these fires, dont know the boy personally, nor do you know anything of Islamic culture. Contrary to popular belief, Islam is not a violent culture, but instead a rich and vibrant religion that has enlightened people for hundreds of years. True, some people are radical Islamic extremists, but you have no right of falsely accusing Mohammed hassan (minhaze) of doing so.
Minhaze is a bright young man who has great ambitions. True, he might have set these fires, but I think it was just a mistake and I think he had learned his lesson.
Guys, profane and offensive language dont lead us anywhere. Just try to talk out our differences with this blogger.
You're kind of an embarrassment to society. Isn't it kind of a huge assumption to make? Its comments like these that make me wonder how ignorant society is these days. Even if they find that he is guilty, you would not know his intentions. I can't believe you would go as far as to post a blog about this, like the media isn't already giving him a hard time. Why did you post this? Did posting this blog make you feel better about yourself. Do you feel better about making the life of a 16 year old even more miserable? If he meant any hard, do you really think he would have set a fire in the bathroom? I mean what's flammable in there? Was this some kind of warning? It's kind of pathetic. If the world had one less person like you, it would be a much better place to live in.
WTF is wrong with you. I don't know where the hell you got your information from but it is obviously wrong. The newspapers published a bunch of false crap, and we as the students of stuyvesant will not stand for it. You can not just say that because this kid was accused of starting these fires he is definatly responsible let alone going to blow up the school because he is as you say Muslim. He is a great kid who has never done anything wrong. You have no right to say anything like that. Shame on you, he has feeling you know.
Do you know that you are basing your arguments and beliefs on assumptions? I don't understand how you have the right and authority to say that we have no credibility, whilst you completely ignore how the article never once said that the kid was found guilty.
Actually, none of the newspaper articles confirms that he is guilty, but they play around with words to make it seem like so, to attract the ignoramus, such as you. No offense, but you're really ignorant.
Have fun replying to all these posts.
I guess I well take apart your rebuttal, since that's what you've also done. Except I don't need insults to support my point.
"The kid was arrested for starting fires in school. While there is a possibility the contents of the trash cans spontaneously burst into flames while he was in the bathroom, the fact that it happened more than once has alarmed many people."
Let's assume someone caused the fires.
"I know what's relevant. He was arrested for setting fires at Stuyvesant. I do not care about his grade-point average or his favorite subject."
Yes, arrested, but not guilty.
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"You have NO credibility on the matter and you are full of crap."
Then why are you bothered by this post?"
You can assume why. This is a poor counterargument: asking why you care about a bad argument or something of similar nature.
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"The suspected arsonist is a very close friend of mine, and I know he would not do this."
You know nothing and it is more likely that you have never met the kid."
In actuality, we (the commenters) personally know him. I'm glad that you used "likely" though, so it's not a major assumption.
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"How do I know?"
You don't, so don't bother to pretend otherwise."
And the same can be said for you. How do you know he's the arsonist? He's not convicted guilty. You're simply a victim of the tricky deceptive wording of the media.
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"How do you know your father isn't planning on becoming a jihadist?"
A few reasons. He has no psychological disorders. He has no irrational feelings of hate. He has never been a muslim.
But there is one other factor that settles the issue. He is dead."
Of course we don't know who your father was. And neither do you know this kid. What gives you the right to assume that this kid has "psychological disorders," "irrational feelings of hate," and even "been a muslim?"
And the fact that your father is dead isn't relevant to our interests. You can have our sympathy in a time more appropriate.
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"By the way, what is a "jihadist"?"
When I use the term, it refers to a muslim who has decided it is his time to kill as many people as possible, and, if possible, the victims should be non-muslims."
No comment.
A fact: the video camera evidence is not sufficient to come to a solid conclusion.
There is the chance that you are being a massive troll. If that is the case, congratulations. Racism, prejudice, and making assumptions are effective tools of enraging people, and you've done a wonderful job at it.
Then there's the chance that you have been traumatized by these jihadist. If that is the case, you have my sympathy. Radicals truly skew the lives of their prey.
With the chance that you are being voluntarily stubbornly ignorant...I suggest you open your mind and look at these issues from...different perspectives. Of course, from what I have seen, I can infer that you won't change your beliefs and perspectives easily. It's sad to see yet another victim of human nature.
May I reiterate that I mean no offense. In this post, I am merely trying to congratulate, sympathize, and help you.
Abdurrahman Wahid, the former Prime Minister of Indonesia and an Imam, says there are 2 to 3 million jihadists in the world; it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Mohammed Hassan is one of them. Further, if the police arrested him and posses said video evidence, there’s a good chance he perpetrated the acts. In addition, they most likely have additional evidence.
All jihadists are Muslims.
Islamic terrorism IS the major problem in the world. Jihadists have committed terror acts in 28 countries. To notice these things does not make one a racist. If any racism is apparent, it’s in Islam.
Thanks for Boris, Anonynous, P-Rex, Stuyvesant High School Junior, Rebecca, p, Current State of MY Life, Conundrumer, and sroberta -- thanks for all the thoughtful comments.
All of you -- or is it a couple of you with multiple IDs -- have ASSERTED Mohammad Hassan is not guilty.
But he was arrested. That is a fact. It is also a fact that fires were started.
Welcome to the world. The NY Post reported his arrest for arson.
If you dislike the free press as much as your comments suggest, take your argument to the newspaper. Then start working on a repeal of the First Amendment.
Meanwhile, though posters claim to know Hassan well, no one has mentioned the mosque his family attends. Why is that? Has anyone met his family?
Maybe some people have not heard the news. But the muslim world has been at war with the US, the West and Israel for decades.
Those of you claiming to be Stuyvesant students appear to be phonies. Your writing and logic skills are too weak.
All you have is your outrage and emotion. But not a hint of exculpatory information regarding Mohammad Hassan's activities.
Maybe you can claim the janitor set the fires.
Who reported the fires? Are there smoke detectors in the bathrooms?
Do you believe spontaneous combustion occurs in Stuyvesant bathrooms?
Is someone trying to frame Hassan?
In what country was he born? Where were his parents born? What mosque do they attend?
no slappz,
your last comments have been quite disappointing. You write that the people commenting (with different ids) are the same person? That just seems like a silly excuse for you to not respond to our posts. Getting lazy? Or are you just too stupid to respond? Or maybe, you aren't stupid- you just don't have legitimate responses. I believe it's the latter.
You write: But he was arrested.
Yes, he was arrested. However, like I said before: One is innocent before proven guilty. His arrest does not incriminate him. Mohammed (kindly spell his name right....it's not Mohammad, its MohammEd. Your arguments would be a lot more worthy of my response if you managed to spell his simple name right.) was ARRESTED. Not jailed and proven guilty, but merely under suspicion. You need to draw distinctions between being suspected and being proven guilty.
Yes, the NYPost reported his ARREST for arson. The NYPost is more of a tabloid than the enquirer. It's a tabloid- not a legit paper. You want news- read real newspapers, not the NYPost. Further, the NYPost is written at such a level so as to ensure that fourth graders can read it. To contrast, the NYTimes is written at the level of a ninth grader.
What's further, none of us are arguing against free speech. We say nothing about how you shouldn't be spewing your stupidity- merely that your post is stupid and racist. The funny thing is, you fail to respond to the fact that per our government ONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If you want to teach us about the government, you might want to read up on it before you look like an idiot and a hypocrite.
No posters have mentioned the mosque he attends (and I feel I can speak for all of us) because it DOESN'T MATTER. His mosque has nothing to do with him setting fires at our school. Nothing. His family has nothing to do with his setting (or not setting) fires. My family has nothing to do with this post. My synagogue has nothing to do with my feelings on this matter. If he did set the fire, it's not because his mosque or his family told him to. Stop creating a situation where there is none. Whoever set the fires is some kid being stupid. Not some kid being a terrorist.
You also doubt our being Stuyvesant students. I can't speak for the others here, but if you'd like my full name and student id, I'd be glad to give them to you. You can call the school and find out if I am a student at Stuyvesant.
As to who reported the fires, the teachers and the students could smell them. You can smell and feel the smoke in the air...don't be silly. Teachers and custodians and students could smell and feel the smoke- they walked into the bathrooms (this happened all of last week) and went into the bathrooms (and hallway and stairway) to attempt to put the fires out. There aren't smoke detectors in the bathrooms...it doesn't take a genius (or a Stuy student) to sense fire, though.
Also, that's a really cheap shot you took: calling out our English and grammar....do you have nothing better to say than criticize a bunch of high school kids for their grammar? I can also personally guarantee you that my English and grammar are far better than yours are or will ever be.
Have a lovely day, no slappz.
Winfred Mann said:
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Abdurrahman Wahid, the former Prime Minister of Indonesia and an Imam, says there are 2 to 3 million jihadists in the world; it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Mohammed Hassan is one of them. "
It's also not out of the realm of possibility that you will win the lottery tomorrow.
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Further, if the police arrested him and posses said video evidence, there’s a good chance he perpetrated the acts. In addition, they most likely have additional evidence.
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How do you know the video cameras are a reliable source of evidence? You haven't even seen the video footage.
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All jihadists are Muslims.
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Not all terrorists are jihadists.
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Islamic terrorism IS the major problem in the world. Jihadists have committed terror acts in 28 countries. To notice these things does not make one a racist. If any racism is apparent, it’s in Islam.
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Does it help to discriminate against those who are Muslim? You mind as well put black people under scrutiny since they're the major source of gang related activities in the United States.
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The NY Times once catered to the eleventh grade level of reading, but had to dumb it down so its readers might understand the propaganda it prints. That’s why it’s now geared to the ninth grade level. If you want a good paper, try the Wall Street Journal.
Under our government, one is innocent until proven guilty. However, that’s only for the courts to abide by, not for the public, which has the right to speak freely regarding issues.
I see others speculate as to Mohammed’s innocence; how do you know? That’s the same as speculating as to his guilt, as well as the motives behind it. You cannot rule out that the possibility that the hatred for Western Society his religion inculcates in its members convinced him to act against the society in this fashion.
It’s amusing, no hilarious, that the people, whom hurl insult after insult at no-slapz, because he has a different opinion of the matter, get riled when he notices the purely emotional comments and the improper grammar—quite hypocritical.
Looks like I have to repeat myself.
no_slappz said:
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Thanks for Boris, Anonynous, P-Rex, Stuyvesant High School Junior, Rebecca, p, Current State of MY Life, Conundrumer, and sroberta -- thanks for all the thoughtful comments.
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You're welcome :)
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All of you -- or is it a couple of you with multiple IDs -- have ASSERTED Mohammad Hassan is not guilty.
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Again, it is not confirmed he is guilty.
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But he was arrested. That is a fact. It is also a fact that fires were started.
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Again, an additional fact is that the video camera evidence is not solid evidence he is the arsonist.
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Welcome to the world. The NY Post reported his arrest for arson.
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Again, with their play of words, they have deceived people, such as you, that he is guilty.
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If you dislike the free press as much as your comments suggest, take your argument to the newspaper. Then start working on a repeal of the First Amendment.
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The newspapers have done nothing wrong, except trick people like you. I don't know about the others, but I'm more concerned about how people are so ignorant and draw conclusions too quickly.
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Meanwhile, though posters claim to know Hassan well, no one has mentioned the mosque his family attends. Why is that? Has anyone met his family?
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I don't know all of my schoolmate's family and personal life.
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Maybe some people have not heard the news. But the muslim world has been at war with the US, the West and Israel for decades.
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Is that relevant? This doesn't mean all Muslims are radicals. Don't make generalizations.
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Those of you claiming to be Stuyvesant students appear to be phonies. Your writing and logic skills are too weak.
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Again, you are making assumptions. Anyways, it's better to draw a conclusion from the fact that these people commenting are all teenagers.
And just for reference, Stuyvesant High School is the high school of math and science, not fine English. I'm not sure how that's relevant, though.
Not to be arrogant, but your arguments are also quite poor, since, again, they mostly rely on assumptions, generalizations, the avoidance of directly addressing a counterpoint, and tricky wording to hide weak points. This point you have mentioned also does not even support your main argument, aside from assuming that we know less than what is actually the case.
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All you have is your outrage and emotion. But not a hint of exculpatory information regarding Mohammad Hassan's activities.
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Does this give you the right to say you are right and that you know more?
And with "All," realize that you are making yet another generalization, and have completely ignored the objective points we have made, especially mine. There is very little emotion that I have shown in my arguments, if there is any at all. You are, again, making a poor argument by ignoring specific details that contradicts your points.
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Maybe you can claim the janitor set the fires.
Who reported the fires? Are there smoke detectors in the bathrooms?
Do you believe spontaneous combustion occurs in Stuyvesant bathrooms?
Is someone trying to frame Hassan?
In what country was he born? Where were his parents born? What mosque do they attend?
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We'll report back to you on this later.
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The NY Times once catered to the eleventh grade level of reading, but had to dumb it down so its readers might understand the propaganda it prints. That’s why it’s now geared to the ninth grade level. If you want a good paper, try the Wall Street Journal.
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Okay then...
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Under our government, one is innocent until proven guilty. However, that’s only for the courts to abide by, not for the public, which has the right to speak freely regarding issues.
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The public has the right to speak freely, of course. But the public is not a reliable source for cases regarding serious activities.
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I see others speculate as to Mohammed’s innocence; how do you know? That’s the same as speculating as to his guilt, as well as the motives behind it.
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There's a reason why suspects are innocent until proven guilty, instead of the other way around.
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You cannot rule out that the possibility that the hatred for Western Society his religion inculcates in its members convinced him to act against the society in this fashion.
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It's a possibility, but it's also an assumption. It's only the radicals who teach such hatred, not the normal Islamic parts. You don't even know if he is a devote Muslim or not, and I will confirm it later.
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It’s amusing, no hilarious,
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Ad hominem. This insult does not contribute to your points. You are already commiting hypocrisy.
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...that the people, whom hurl insult after insult at no-slapz,"
Are you avoiding me? Don't ignore my points, or else your arguments are weak.
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because he has a different opinion of the matter,
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He treats his opinions as facts, as far as his tone goes.
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...get riled when he notices the purely emotional comments and the improper grammar—quite hypocritical."
We (or maybe just I) get "riled" because it is not relevant to his argument. And, again, you fail to address my points. I'm sure I've made quite a few grammatical errors, but that doesn't prevent people from understanding my argument. And, again, I use very little emotion, if any, in my argument.
Please take apart my points just like how no_slappz has done with the first couple posts. Show me you all know know to debate properly.
At least explicitly and objectively state that emotional posts are not relevant to this argument and will not be addressed.
Hi everyone,
I won't bother trying to mudsling or anything, but Mohammed isn't actually a devout Muslim. Maybe his family, I don't know. But him? Nahhh.
In case you were wondering.
Carry on.
*whistles*
You attack our personal arguments and express disbelief at our claims that we are from stuy.
1. I am from stuy. there's no point in claiming i'm not because i dont even know this dude, and i'm not going to argue against such a pointless accusation
2. I'm not going to call you w/e random names i know, but seriously, you're being racist.
3. Other stuy ppl, you actually sound really retarded if you read your own comments, with several exceptions. flame posts sound stupid, let's leave it at that.
4. I'm just pretty confused how you claim to know the person better than any of us. I personally don't, and i really don't care if he's a terrorist or not even, it's just you being racist here.
5. tiny fires set in towel dispensers hardly count as terrorism. jihadists are very organized, fires in school? happens every fucking day all over the country. Kids are pretty stupid sometimes.
6. I mentioned you were racist in #2. If the person caught was white, would you say the same? you'd write it off as some dumbass instead.
7. In defense of the minhaze, the evidence is extremely circumstantial, and can only point to him in 1 or 2 of the 10 fires. He was seen entering an leaving just before can be seen as he was needing to use the bathroom and spotted the blaze and ran out. Also, fires can take a while to build up.
8. I doubt there's a ring of arsonists going around, mainly because that's the dumbest fucking idea ever. minhaze is either a) extremely unlucky, or b) a scapegoat for when the school doesn't want to lose face in not catching at least somebody.
First off, I do not attend the school (I would have if I didn't choose to go to a private school instead), but your post is obviously full of a ton of bullshit and random assumptions that probably aren't even correct. I have a couple of friends who while they may not be the best of kids, they're trustworthy in situations such as this. I have a family friend who I've known from a very young age and he's a junior at Stuy and claims Minhaze to be innocent. If he and many other Stuy students agree and have alibis for him, which is what it seems like, then who are you, an unknown blogger, to say that he's probably a Jihadist or be racist toward the poor kid? What mosque does he attend? WHO CARES? What are you trying to do, track him down and attack the mosque? Unless other students attend the same mosque, they probably don't know what mosque he goes to, which probably doesn't matter to them. I encourage you to check out the Facebook group, "SUPPORT MINHAZ (AKA MOHAMMED) HASSAN IN THE FACE OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS!!!" and see the 300+ members, many of whom attend Stuy, and many of whom are in his grade, and their comments on the group.
Reading through these comments is quite infuriating since 1, you're calling the supposed Stuy kids liars, 2, you continue to insist that your assumptions are correct while making bad arguments, and 3, you just seem to be a blogger who needs to get a life and stop posting bullshit on the internet, or maybe try to find out what truly happened with some concrete facts and evidence.
Thanks for reading, even though I doubt any of us can change your views. And if you didn't read, thanks for wasting my time.
No_Slappz, please understand the American legal system before you make the comments you have made. Hassan's arrest does not mean he is guilty; it merely means he has been accused. That's the reason we have trials in our country; to protect the innocent from presumptions that may be false. I am also a Stuyvesant student (a senior), and I am not going to comment on whether I believe Hassan is innocent or not. However, your blog post is certainly disturbing and makes assumptions that may well be false. If you are an adult, I am extremely disappointed by the conclusions you have made about the incidents in our school and the assumptions you have made about my peers. I highly doubt that Hassan was motivated by religion in any way. A more likely motive for these small fires in our school was to avoid a test (as they did happen on specific floors where tests were being administered that day) or simply teenage amusement. To jump to the conclusion that the person has terrorist motives makes little sense to me, seeing the small scope of the incidents. Also, the video evidence here is not compelling. The surveillance cameras in our school are not planted in the bathrooms. It also worthy to note that after the first incident, all of our bathrooms except for two were locked by our principal. During that week, most of the students in our school were walking in and out of those two bathrooms, and it is quite possible that the cameras caught the wrong guy.
I do hope that this is enough to convince you that I am a Stuyvesant student (if not, you can follow me to my blog, which is a part of our school newspaper, of which I am an editor), though I will say it is ridiculous that that would make much of a difference in my opinion. I hope you will understand the repercussions of making such assumptions about the person accused.
I just checked out a couple of your other recent blog posts. Hating on Muslims much?
1. The moment you said jihad and associated him to terrorists, you were being racist, and we as Stuyvesant students take that very seriously.
2. The newspapers have messed tons and tons of info up. I.e he wasn't there on some of the fires.
3. Video evidence (specifically in this case) amounts to very little. They caught him going into the bathroom during passing, a period where kids walk to their next class. It's not like he was the only one who was in the bathroom. They didn't catch him in the act.
3. Ok, so maybe he went into two bathrooms, one to do his stuff, and the other to check his hair or wash his hands, or simply because the other bathroom had a line.
4. Not the be racist or stereotypical, but brown people can look similar, especially with a large amount of people in the hallway and the weird camera angles in the bathrooms (to avoid legal issues).
LOLWUT
Like someone mentioned earlier, there were more than one kid going in and out of the bathroom, how would they pinpoint one specifict preson? Even if he did go into the bathrooms at those times by coincidence, he may have not even noticed anything burning in the garbage can and left. I know many people have mentioned it before but your not guilty until you are proven innocent. I cant comment on whether i believe he is innocent or guilty either because I dont know him, but that doesnt mean you can make stupid accusations.
Good luck Mohammed!You've got all of the Stuy student body behind you!!
If you read this comment, the posters with the strongest points are Gavin, stuykid, and me.
May I mention that the fact that the suspect is not a devout Muslim almost completely nullifies your theory that he is a terrorist.
Good evening no_slappz.
I have read all the articles and looked at all the comments. I am a Stuyvesant student, and unlike many of my peers, I do believe, at this point, that Mr. Hassan did commit the crimes he is being charged for. However, despite my belief that he did commit the acts, I do not think for even a second that this was religiously motivated. What I believe was Mr. Hassan's motive, similar to how Gavin posted, is that he was trying to get out of some test. Or, it was moments of sheer stupidity, just to impress others. Whether it's one or another, it is wrong to say that it was a jihadi action, an attempt to kill us all. Stuyvesant is a very diverse and open school, and frankly, those with a jihadist view of the world would have a hard time being there, and making so many friends, which clearly Mr. Hassan has quite a few of. Don't resort to unnecessary racism and racial profiling to explain the stupid actions of a 16 year old kid. I'm sure you can be above all the petty hate that is present in the world right now.
p, please stop.
bigots have a right to speech too.
1st amendment remember?
this is a little ridiculous.
I go to stuy and i have never seen any cameras close enough to any of the bathrooms to conclusively see someone setting fires in the bathrooms.
his mere presence does not mean he set the fires. one of my close friends walked into a bathroom with a burning trash can on tuesday, and proceeded to use the urinal, wash his hands, and leave, along with several other boys who acted similarly. fires have become no big deal at stuy. we've had over 15 since friday the 13th. now imagine that you saw a video of several boys emerging from a bathroom with a flaming garbage can. would you think they set the fire? maybe. did they? absolutely not. the cameras are not positioned in a way to conclusively show a damn thing.
i am disgusted at the racial profiling that is occurring on this website and elsewhere. muslims are not terrorists. a specific few mentally unstable muslims are terrorists. what about the virginia tech killer? he was an asian man, and he's responsible for one of the most deadly mass killings in american history. why isn't he accused of terrorism? because he isn't muslim, that's why.
a huge percentage of stuy is muslim. many of my close friends are muslim and they're as american as i am, and i'm 100% white. minkaze is not a terrorist. if he even set the fires, it's because he's a teenager with bad judgement, not because he has an agenda against the united states.
I love how this idiot hasn't posted except for about 12 hours ago.
Arguing free speech, and being outraged at slandering are two completely different issues.
False accusations such as him being an extremist/terrorist because of his NAME is racist, and in this day and age you have no credibility once you make a racist statement.
If he was truly a terrorist, and one bright enough to go to Stuyvesant please tell me how he would be stupid enough to start a small fire in the boys bathroom, and then continuously do it until he is caught. That would be stupid, not one person was seriously injured, the worst that could have happened is that the small fire burns out once it reaches the ground or walls, oh yes that is very jihad-like the next 9-11 because fucking paper towels were lit on fire and students got to miss a couple periods of class.
Hey no_slappz,
Before we begin, my Stuyvesant ID is 6428 and my homeroom is 5K, so if you need to send something to my homeroom, you know where to get it.
Now on the good stuff. I read your initial post, and then I skipped the others to comment, and you know what? You have every right to have cause for concern. You're just not as intelligent as most people. And that's okay. I understand your paranoia.
You're just a little ignorant to the whole situation.
Well my boy, here are the facts.
Nearly three-quarters of Stuyvesant's student body can trace their immediate roots to Asia. The big three are Chinese, Korean, and Middle-Eastern/Indian (We'll call them Brown for now). So basically, if I'm following your train of thought, New York City's best high school is made up Communists, other Communists, and terrorists. Terrifying terrorists. But Jeff Dunham jokes aside, that's the truth.
Keep that paragraph in mind, we'll address it later.
Now I really want to define your most favorite word, Jihad. I mean I think it's a pretty cool word. Merriam-Webster defines Jihad as:
1 : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline
2 : a crusade for a principle or belief
So, despite your superior dictionary skills, that's the accepted definition.
Jihad is a holy war fought fought for Islam, against non-religious Arabs, and non-believers. It is triggered by a fatwa issued by one or more Imams. This is a scary thought. To think, there are people out there who want to kill us solely because we don't believe in Allah. And I don't know about you, but I am a Jew and a Zionist, so I don't have all the cards in my corner.
I feel like we've gotten totally off topic, don't you?
Anyway, let's talk about the video evidence. The cold, hard truth is that a Brown person did this. The videos cannot be denied. Whether Mohammed did this or not, it remains to be seen. But someone of Middle-Eastern/Indian descent did this. Okay, so we're clear on that.
Now on your Major Hassan comparison. Major Hassan is an extremely troubled individual. He was torn between serving his country and his religion. Nevertheless, HIS SHOOTING WAS AN ACT OF TERRORISM. He had been connected to al-Queda associates, and there is not a doubt in my mind that he had coordinated the shootings way in advance.
Now let's take 16-year-old Mohammed Hassan. His parents are from Bangladesh. He lives in the Bronx. I don't know how much of a practicing Muslim he is, but I have never seen him say anything about his religion what-so-ever. He could have been troubled and we just don't know. But who are you to jump to conclusions and make such a rash comparison? Unless you know something we don't then you're in no position to say anything about the situation and especially about Mohammed that hasn't been said. Now I'm not ruling that there is a .00000000000000000000001% that he or his family is connected to a terror plot. I mean, I play lotto and bet on horse racing, so I'm an odds kind of guy. But be realistic.
So I feel like I forgot a lot of what I wanted to say, but I'll be sure to type it up if I do.
In closing:
Do people name Mohammed Hassan scare you?
Also listen to Born In The U.S.A by Bruce Springsteen. It's so good.
^ rofl
Fox News starts in half an hour.
(that was meant for sroberta)
No hate, just felt like mentioning it.
lol. born in the USA is used for alot of commercials but was denied for campaign shit back in 08 cuz it's really saying kinda bad things about the USA
huh wat
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yeah and Im MLK i hate the auto selected option for my gmail account... and let me reread and confirm what i was actually saying...
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Lol, that Ben guy flamed you man.
ohhhh.
never mind.
i get it now...
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to clarify, i was just stating that he couldn't possibly be watching fox news since it starts at 10 (do u kno where ur children are!?)
i didn't and don't think your anti-muslim
hell, im muslim myself. not that im THAT religious or anything, but still.
yeaa that hating on muslims much was for no_slappz. sorry for the confusion.
You sir, are an idiot. For starters, there is only footage of him entering and exiting a bathroom, not conclusive evidence of him setting a fire. As it is possible that he did set the fire, it's just as easy that the fire was set to go off at a certain time. This is Stuyvesant afterall.
I'm a Stuyvesant student and I know that these fires (whoever set them) were probably started because the first one got us out of school for over an hour. The first one was the result of someone smoking in the bathroom (I don't know who.)
The fact that you have labeled this kid as a jihadist is straight up appalling. There is no more information in your post than what could've been found on google. Had this kid been jewish, would you have jumped to the same conclusion that he is a terrorist? It's tragic that he may or may not have set (some of) those fires, and happens to be a muslim as well. You need to cool it with the racism and actually put some research and common sense into your posts.
hey no_slappz i am muslim am offended attend stuyvesant high school am a junior and a very very close friend of Minhaz (his name isnt even Mohammed anymore he legally changed it) and am deeply offended by your comments. Ok first off the media has the accusations wrong he could not have started the fire that occured on friday the 13th because i was with him at the time of the fire that day. Second I'm a muslim and your comment about jihad is completely false a jihad is when someone RIGHTEOUSLY fights in war under the name of ALLAH meaning that killing innocents is not jihad and the person would be punished for doing so, thirdly how come they can identify him in one video of him "setting" a fire and not identify anyone else from the other fires which were more major and caused us to evacuate the building whereas "his" didn't. And this is racial profiling if you are going to call him a trerrorist just because he is muslim or brown, would you call an asian person who does something like this a terrorist? I am going to assume not so if that is the case then you are guilty of racial profiling and so is anyone else who follows that mentality. And YOU don't have any credibility of saying whether he did it or not because you don't know him you didn't see the evidence and you don't go to the school to understand what is going on ok so stop stopping because you are being extremely arrogant offensive and ignorant.
no_slappz, you seem to be under the assumption that just because the article says so, that everything it claims is clearly true. I have not seen the video evidence, but have you? Even the teachers at the school say that the "video evidence" is just footage of him leaving the bathroom sometime before the fire. This doesn't prove ANYTHING. On Thursday's fire, there were kids just watching the fire outside the bathroom before being chased off by teachers. Does that mean they were guilty because they were at the scene of the crime at the time? No.
You actually have no credibility either, and I say that you should quit telling others that they don't. The video coverage is compelling and hard to escape? He entered the bathroom during a time frame CLOSE to that of the fires, not actually when the fire started. He is the main suspect because he was the only one seen during the time frame in which the fire happened. This kind of thing can easily be set up or detected at a much later time, and thus, just seeing him perhaps go to the bathroom does not provide clear enough evidence to actually charge him guilty, although it does allow him to be placed as a suspect.
You also stated that many people are asserting that he's not guilty. But in the United States, that very belief is a valid one: Innocent until proven guilty. So you're assuming that he has done it, because of what? He's Islamic and he's been SUSPECTED of such? Sure, our belief that he's not guilty holds no real credibility, but it is actually a belief that is justified as a legal right. So does your claim that he's guilty. Therefore, making a claim such as "You are full of crap" and "Mainly, you have NO credibility" are both comments that can actually be said back to you as well.
Also, he's going to be a future jihadist? The article only CLAIMS that he may have set the fires, and assuming that the first two fires were indeed set by him, it is actually impossible for him to have caused the other 7 fires going on in our school. You want to know why? He was placed under suspension on Friday after the first two fires, and thus, the fires on Thursday onwards could NOT have been caused by him, as he WASN'T EVEN AT SCHOOL that day.
I understand your skepticism about such a thing (multiple fires within the course of two weeks as well as the subject of terrorism is not a light matter), however, they don't have SOLID video evidence that actually shows him setting the fire, and he has not yet been convicted of his crime yet either.
I just wanted to say as well, your logic is extremely flawed as well. Everything you have said to disprove the more angered commenters can actually just be said right back to you. So while you come off as an intelligent person, I gotta say, you're actually just being a smart-alec (if I said smartass you probably would've said I'm just acting based on my rage, although I could say the same for you as you make claims based on your vehement belief that he is a jihadist).
Also, you seem to think that a person's level of intelligence is based on vocabulary and grammar skills as well.
That just shows how ignorant you actually are. Have you ever read George Orwell's essay? In it, he claims that language should be a tool to show not to make things more ambiguous through unnecessarily large words and metaphors. And while the essay in it's entirety cannot be taken as truth, it IS true that one can impart knowledge through the use of regular words; big words and fancy metaphors are not always needed to convey a message.
So you seem to think that many of these posters are just false Stuy students because they don't have a large array of words at their disposal? You've gotta be kidding me. I don't need to use big words to let you know that not only are you ignorant, but you are also a hypocrite as well.
hey no_slappz
u mad?
Nah, I think no_slappz is just tight because he didn't get into Stuy. He probably goes to Bronx Science.
WORD UP, BEN GHANA.
It's funny how No_slappz has only responded after another supporting his idea of terrorism...
Cornered? :)
you fucking piece of shit
if he did actually set the fires, he goes from arsonist to jihadist? Your racism is undeniable and I pity you and the millions like you, you fascist fuck.
There is absolutely no hard evidence; they were not able to record him actually setting the fires, he merely walked out of bathrooms that would later be discovered to be burning. Many other kids walked out of the bathrooms and it is a very likely coincidence that he happened to walk into 2 bathrooms, both which would have fires occurring. Also, THERE WERE OTHER FIRES WHILE HE WAS DETAINED. Should we assume that Mohammad is working with other students and really initiating some kind of terrorist plot? there have also been rumors of a teachers lounge fire today. How obvious does it have to be that they have the wrong man and the true culprit is still at large?
For those of you bothered by my post -- tough noogies.
Mohammed Hassan was arrested for arson.
Is he guilty of arson? Possibly. Probably.
OJ Simpson was acquitted of murdering his ex-wife Nicole and Ron Goldman. Did he do it? Or not?
Did Mohammed Hassan have the means, motive and opportunity to commit arson? Yes.
Is he just an unlucky guy plucked from the crowd to satisfy the needs of the school administration and the police? Or was there evidence that led to his arrest?
Does he have an alibi for his whereabouts at the times the fires were set?
Perhaps, if another person is responsible for setting the fires, that person has been suffering through an ordeal of guilt. Has someone else confessed?
Is there another suspect? Did the perpetrator confide in a friend, and admit to the friend that Hassan is the wrong guy?
Almost all the claims made in defense of Mohammed Hassan are useless testimonials that have no connection to the events under investigation.
What does the future hold for this kid? Will he embrace muslim fundamentalism? Does he or any of his family members have ideas like those of Major Hasan? The ideas that led Major Hasan to the Fort Hood shooting?
This is such bull.
First:
I'll argue with you over your inability to argue a point.
YOU CANNOT ARGUE A POINT USING THE SAME POINT AS YOUR MAIN FRAME OF REFERENCE! That's what's known as a "fallacy by begging the question."
Your main point seems to be that the kid set fire to the school because he is a Jihadist, and that he is a Jihadist because he sets fires [and that he's a Jihadist because he's Muslim, which means you are discriminating on the basis of religion, which is unconstitutional, but I digress].
No, you cannot use circular reasoning in a legal argument, I'm sorry, it just can't be done, you cannot be taken seriously.
Second:
No, you do not have any credibility. As far as I know, the video footage has not been released to the public, and as the Stuyvesant students can actually attest to the character of the accused (which IS actually respected in a court of law, despite there being a conflict of interest), they have far more credibility than you do.
In essence, you're basing all of your beliefs on a video tape you haven't seen and an unconstitutional bias. Thus, your arguments are null and void, and you have no credibility.
But have a nice day,
Stuy Girl =]
“But the public is not a reliable source for cases regarding serious activities.”
Then all these posts are not a reliable source for cases regarding serious activities, especially your post.
“There's a reason why suspects are innocent until proven guilty, instead of the other way around.”
This does not address the question, How do you know?
“It's only the radicals who teach such hatred, not the normal Islamic parts. You don't even know if he is a devote Muslim or not, and I will confirm it later.”
There is no evidence for your claim.
“Ad hominem. This insult does not contribute to your points. You are already commiting [sic]hypocrisy.”
Observing and noting something is not hypocrisy.
“Are you avoiding me? Don't ignore my points, or else your arguments are weak.”
Irrelevant and illogical.
“He treats his opinions as facts, as far as his tone goes.”
You treat your opinions as facts, as far as your tone goes.
“We (or maybe just I) get "riled" because it is not relevant to his argument. And, again, you fail to address my points. I'm sure I've made quite a few grammatical errors, but that doesn't prevent people from understanding my argument. And, again, I use very little emotion, if any, in my argument.”
You have made no points, only emotional rants.
You delude yourself if you believe you know how to debate.
stuygirl, you wrote:
"YOU CANNOT ARGUE A POINT USING THE SAME POINT AS YOUR MAIN FRAME OF REFERENCE!"
Says who? This is the blogosphere. Valid or invalid, anything goes.
You said:
"Your main point seems to be that the kid set fire to the school because he is a Jihadist.
Wrong. The main point is obvious. It is this: IF he set the fires IS he a FUTURE JIHADIST?
You wrote:
"[and that he's a Jihadist because he's Muslim, which means you are discriminating on the basis of religion, which is unconstitutional..."
You need to understand the legal meaning of "discrimination." If that is the subject of your interest, you should check into the laws of every muslim theocracy. You will find that in many muslim countries it is a capital offense to attempt to convince a muslim he should become a Christian.
Meanwhile, in those countries, non-muslims are subjected to discriminatory laws, much like the Jim Crow laws that once existed here. And then there is the virtual enslavement of women in muslim countries.
You wrote:
"No, you cannot use circular reasoning in a legal argument, I'm sorry, it just can't be done, you cannot be taken seriously."
First, this is not a legal argument, and second, you are free to take this post as UNseriously as you like.
You wrote:
"Second:
No, you do not have any credibility."
So what?
You wrote:
"As far as I know, the video footage has not been released to the public..."
The police have seen it and the images were sufficient for an arrest. That says a lot.
You wrote:
"...and as the Stuyvesant students can actually attest to the character of the accused (which IS actually respected in a court of law, despite there being a conflict of interest), they have far more credibility than you do..."
Character witnesses? Respected in a court of law? The internet is not a court of law.
You wrote:
"In essence, you're basing all of your beliefs on a video tape you haven't seen and an unconstitutional bias."
Again, the police reviewed the videotape and made an arrest. Are you arguing that the NY Police Department, in fact, DID NOT see the videotape AND arrested the kid simply because he has a muslim name?
You wrote:
"Thus, your arguments are null and void, and you have no credibility."
You seem overly worked up over something that is null and void coming from someone with no credibility.
Take your argument to the NY Post, the NYPD and the school administration. Those are three of the four entities at the core of this case.
If Hassan is not the culprit, then find and report the true perpetrator. That would settle the issue.
there's nothing wrong with "muslim fundamentalism," smart one. islam is a beautiful religion, and its tenets and beliefs, as well as the vast accomplishments of its many practitioners, caused monumental progress in this world throughout history.
its really funny, but for some reason im getting the feeling that you're just pissed that you're not a stuy student (first eric holder, and now minhaze? damnn...)
No_Slappz if you really want to know what mosque he attends its one in Parkchester i live in Buhre Ave. and he lives in Westchester Square there are you happy now please tell me how does this help anyone if a christian did this would you be asking what church he goes to? of course not because you are being racist and just so you know i do go to Stuyvesant i am a junior i can even give you my schedule if you don't believe me hell search me up on facebook or something my name is Hossam Gamea noone here is faking anything ok so stop assuming and start accepting the facts. BTW Hossam Gamea is my name
This is why Islam is racism
Definition –noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Islam Rules for non-Muslims living under Islamic rule.
Aside from the periodic massacres and displacements dating back to Mohammed's time, Islam introduced the splendid ideas that non-Muslims living under Islamic rule:
Must never build buildings taller than buildings owned by Muslims.
Must always step aside or yield whenever a Muslim approached.
May not testify against a Muslim in court. This basically allowed Muslims to do anything they wanted to non-Muslims with impunity.
Would suffer death for virtually any crime, real or perceived, committed against a Muslim.
Must pay the dhimmi, or religious tax, for being a non-Muslim.
...and so on and so forth, ad nauseatum. It was worse than Jim Crow, although different rulers and different communities enforced these edicts of Mohammed himself to varying degrees depending on how "faithful" they were to Islam.
To describe life under such cruel circumstances as "peaceful coexistence" is to transform the expression into a cruel euphemism.
If you truly want to be critical thinkers and a person who challenges the powers that be, challenge your teachers, investigate the claims they make, i.e., global warming, which turns out to be the hottest hoax around.
FOR THE 10TH TIME.
HE'S NOT MUSLIM.
Wow, just...wow.
There are ways to properly articulate an opinion on a topic even controversial ones. However, labelling a kid and his family as you have done and taking that huge jump is asinine. In this justice system people are innocent until proven guilty sir, he will be tried and the case will be investigated and if evidence turns up that suggests your claims are true (which I doubt) then you will be entitled to express opinions about these facts. Yes there is video evidence. Is it conclusive, maybe, however you don't really know so I would advise you keep your mouth shut until you do know.
You may have your right to free speech but you have no legal right to slander a boy and his family until those charges have been proved. So, honestly go on and keep your freedom of speech, but just know that you are exercising your right to look foolish. Perhaps if you express your opinions in a tempered way instead of comparing someone to a man you shot and killed other men the people might actually respect you.
Until then though, enjoy looking like a moron, I certainly got a good laugh
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I like how you ignored my comment.
Reply pls, oh intelligent one.
And you keep asking why we're so irked by your comments, which have no credibility?
We're not annoyed because you actually do have some substance to your points. We're annoyed because you actually believe that your comments hold credibility; it has nothing to do with the fact that we think you do, cause we don't. It has to do with the fact that you do, and you firmly stand your ground with your baseless conjecture and talk down upon us as if you know everything, when in fact, you don't.
You'd probably respond by saying "But you don't either". You don't either. So that's an invalid reply, or at least, one that doesn't help to make your case any more believable than it already isn't.
PS. You seem to strongly believe Mohammed did this. However, there was another fire today, and another fire yesterday for that matter.
In fact, there was a note posted apparently (I don't actually know whether this one is true) that claimed that they had the wrong person. Even if this note did not exist, and was just a fabrication, it's a fact that despite Mohammed's suspension for the time being, the fires have continued and have not stopped.
And as I said, the article accuses him of setting all the fires. However, he could not have set any of the fires after Friday (it's still possible he did the ones on Friday), as he was either in the Principal's office the entire day, or not near the school building at all.
hossam Gamea, you wrote:
"...if you really want to know what mosque he attends its one in Parkchester..."
Tell me about it. What is the imam like? How would you describe the Islamic teachings at this mosque?
If you do not know enough to comment on Hassan's mosque, tell me about the mosque you attend.
Does your imam want to see Sharia Law in the US? Do you?
What are your views on the rights of women?
What are your views on Israel?
You asked:
"...if a christian did this would you be asking what church he goes to?"
Yes, I would ask, especially if I thought your fictional person were a member of an extremist Christian church. Like the Westboro Church from Oklahoma, a church that recently sent members to NY City to harrass Jews at several synagogues around the city.
However, you concluded:
"...of course not because you are being racist..."
Maybe it is news to you, but muslims have been actively killing non-muslims for a long time and the killing is motivated by religion. Jihad. That's what it's all about.
You wrote:
"...and just so you know i do go to Stuyvesant...my name is Hossam Gamea noone here is faking anything ok so stop assuming and start accepting the facts. BTW Hossam Gamea is my name.
Who cares what your name is? Or if you attend Stuyvesant.
The issue is the setting of the fires in the bathrooms. The police arrested Mohammed Hassan because the video evidence suggests he is the culprit.
None of your statements has any bearing on the findings of the police. Moreover, there has been no statement from the police that clears or exonerates Hassan.
Therefore, if you think the police arrested the wrong person, then find the actual arsonist and report him.
Pathetic responses form a bunch of babies.
turtle, you jibber-jabbered:
"We're annoyed because you actually believe that your comments hold credibility; it has nothing to do with the fact that we think you do, cause we don't. It has to do with the fact that you do, and you firmly stand your ground with your baseless conjecture and talk down upon us as if you know everything, when in fact, you don't."
You are amusing. Go finish your homework.
Winfred, you claim that we're just giving pathetic responses?
What about you? You haven't addressed the problem nor given any basis behind the belief of "Mohammed is a Jihadist".
For one, he's not even a strict follower of the religion at all. And if you claim that we don't know, you don't either.
Second of all, all you have done was give a definition of Islam and tell us that it's racism. What does that prove? What does that have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BLOG TOPIC AT ALL?
And no slappz: You want me to rephrase it for you then? We don't believe you have any substance behind your argument. We're angry because you continue to say that Mohammed is a jihadist but all you have done was repeatedly tell us what the newspaper says.
And as for my homework, I finished it an hour or two ago.
its fortunate that your father died
but it is not relevant as it does not disqualify him as a jihadist, albeit only one while being alive.
no_slappz, I noticed you didn't respond directly to my post. Any reason? I mean I know it's pretty legitimate, but if you don't find it to be, let me know what's wrong.
anonymous my father was not a jihadist because he was not a muslim. The fact that he was not a muslim eliminated the jihadi career choice from his list of possibilities.
But his life on Earth had no connection to fires set in Stuyvesant bathrooms. The life of Mohammed Hassan has that connection. Thus, if you believe he has been wrongly arrested, then you should identify and report the true arsonist rather than quibbling with me.
I posted it again, just in case you missed. Also, I'd love to have a discussion about muslim doctrine, and practice law in arabic countries, because you're not as up to date as you could be.
Fun Fact: An Arab country is any country which is located on/near the ARABIAN Peninsula. The only country in the world designated as an Islamic Republic, is Iran. And Iran is Persian.
Okay, read:
Hey no_slappz,
Before we begin, my Stuyvesant ID is 6428 and my homeroom is 5K, so if you need to send something to my homeroom, you know where to get it.
Now on the good stuff. I read your initial post, and then I skipped the others to comment, and you know what? You have every right to have cause for concern. You're just not as intelligent as most people. And that's okay. I understand your paranoia.
You're just a little ignorant to the whole situation.
Well my boy, here are the facts.
Nearly three-quarters of Stuyvesant's student body can trace their immediate roots to Asia. The big three are Chinese, Korean, and Middle-Eastern/Indian (We'll call them Brown for now). So basically, if I'm following your train of thought, New York City's best high school is made up Communists, other Communists, and terrorists. Terrifying terrorists. But Jeff Dunham jokes aside, that's the truth.
Keep that paragraph in mind, we'll address it later.
Now I really want to define your most favorite word, Jihad. I mean I think it's a pretty cool word. Merriam-Webster defines Jihad as:
1 : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline
2 : a crusade for a principle or belief
So, despite your superior dictionary skills, that's the accepted definition.
Jihad is a holy war fought fought for Islam, against non-religious Arabs, and non-believers. It is triggered by a fatwa issued by one or more Imams. This is a scary thought. To think, there are people out there who want to kill us solely because we don't believe in Allah. And I don't know about you, but I am a Jew and a Zionist, so I don't have all the cards in my corner.
I feel like we've gotten totally off topic, don't you?
Anyway, let's talk about the video evidence. The cold, hard truth is that a Brown person did this. The videos cannot be denied. Whether Mohammed did this or not, it remains to be seen. But someone of Middle-Eastern/Indian descent did this. Okay, so we're clear on that.
Now on your Major Hassan comparison. Major Hassan is an extremely troubled individual. He was torn between serving his country and his religion. Nevertheless, HIS SHOOTING WAS AN ACT OF TERRORISM. He had been connected to al-Queda associates, and there is not a doubt in my mind that he had coordinated the shootings way in advance.
Now let's take 16-year-old Mohammed Hassan. His parents are from Bangladesh. He lives in the Bronx. I don't know how much of a practicing Muslim he is, but I have never seen him say anything about his religion what-so-ever. He could have been troubled and we just don't know. But who are you to jump to conclusions and make such a rash comparison? Unless you know something we don't then you're in no position to say anything about the situation and especially about Mohammed that hasn't been said. Now I'm not ruling that there is a .00000000000000000000001% that he or his family is connected to a terror plot. I mean, I play lotto and bet on horse racing, so I'm an odds kind of guy. But be realistic.
So I feel like I forgot a lot of what I wanted to say, but I'll be sure to type it up if I do.
In closing:
Do people name Mohammed Hassan scare you?
Also listen to Born In The U.S.A by Bruce Springsteen. It's so good.
Winfred Man, stop bringing up other countries. We live in the US, we're talking about the US. The US is one of the more advanced countries, if not the most. Sure, some Islamic countries may have laws that may be discriminative. However, this has NOTHING to do with the case of Minhaz in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. No_slappz, you and Winfred Man seem to bring up many irrelevant points and seem to be avoiding many key points addressed by my fellow commentators.
Anyways, how old are you?
What high school did you go to?
Do you just hate Stuy?
Do you just hate Muslims?
ben garner, by claiming that asians at Stuyvesant are communists because their parents once lived in communist countries suggests that communism is a biological trait.
Good news. It is not. Meanwhile, they live here -- a capitalist democracy. Thus, even if they believe in the life of the collective, it poses no threat to others who do not.
Your perspective on Islam and muslims is a little light and uninformed. It is the muslim goal to create the global caliphate and impose sharia law on all of us.
In some parts of the world, the plan is working. Because muslims are getting elected to public office here in the US, the idea of muslim law is alive in muslim communities here.
Meanwhile, because Islam dominates the lives of muslims, the muslim world has barely advanced in 1400 years. Have you ever noticed that nothing is invented, designed and/or manufactured in muslim countries?
The reason is Islam.
Also Winfred, I'd like to mention that in a religious sense, "dhimmis" are seen as protected people (Christans and Jews). The religion obviously acknowledges them, but it's the governments that are being discriminative. And we aren't all made pure, which no_slappz is the complete opposite of, so don't expect everything to be perfect in the government. If you think there's a problem, then why don't you go ahead and try to fix it?
By the way, reading this argument and partaking in the argument is a great distraction so thank you for that, even though I'd tell you to go fuck yourselves if I had homework. Luckily, Thanksgiving is coming up, so not much homework. You guys should thank yourselves for your lives, since you obviously seem to value them higher than Muslims. I hope you go to Hell, no_slappz.
^ Last paragraph is pretty irrelevant.
I believe Ben was giving a hypothetical sort-of statement to show a similar approach to yours although he probably does not believe in what he said in order to show you that you're line of thinking is wrong. And by calling what he said wrong, you just called yourself wrong. Congratulations, does this mean you admit defeat?
ben garner,
With respect to muslim theocracies, well, there are several.
Meanwhile, Pakistan is an "Islamic republic", whatever that means.
It is a backward and impoverished state that India gladly cut from its side when the British Empire granted independence to the "subcontinent."
In fact, India took the same step with Bangladesh (originally East Pakistan) which is a poor and terribly corrupt country muddling along under the thumb of Islamic tyranny.
dude... you have been flamed by the stuyvesant high school community
just give up
dude... you have been flamed by the stuyvesant high school community
just give up
It is quite relevant if people go to Stuy or not. They are much more related and more credible than you are because they actually known the unfortunate individual and the facilities where these fires have taken place. They also know facts like his suspension, which some newspapers apparently do not know, so that pretty much makes them primary sources and better sourced than lousy newspapers like the Post. Sure, the Post is good for somethings, like writing an article about the winner of the Girls' Varsity Soccer NYSAAIS, which some people would care about and wouldn't get in other papers, but as for serious articles, the Post does not have much credebility.
no_slappz, how well versed are you in the Qu'ran or any statute of Muslim law? Obviously not well enough.
Jihad, as defined by the Qu'ran, is the struggle to make yourself a better Muslim in the eyes of Allah. Yes, it has been interpreted to mean "The Fight for Islam."
However, no where in the Qu'ran does it say to establish a global caliphate by killing off non-believers or converting them. In fact, the Qu'ran accepts the Jewish Torah, and the Christian Old Testament as the word of G-d. However the Qu'ran is the final book of revelations told by Mohammed.
In the Qu'ran it does say that Muslims are superior to Jews, Christians and other religions. However it does not say to kill them, merely to take a monthly tax and make sure they know that they are second class citizens. This is not murder. And in the Torah and New Testament, does it not say that those respective religions are superior to all.
If you can find hard evidence in the Qu'ran that despute my points, please do tell.
OK, have you ever been to Bangladesh? My family originates from there and I'd like to let you know that your view is probably a popular one, but not too accurate. Sure there was some corruption recently, but for the most part, much of this has been fixed.
A religion is not a tyranny. A religion cannot be a tyranny because tyrannies are governments, therefore, religions are not governments. The majority of people from Bangladesh may be Muslim, but there are Christians in the nation. Some views may be somewhat discriminative, but truly there is not much discrimination. (Discrimination cannot be 100% eliminated anywhere, that would just be way to ideal)
You're telling people to go finish their homework? How about you go get a life, maybe a job while you're at it?
Also Muslims are responsible for some of the world's most ingenious creations and inventions.
Just to name a few:
-The first universities ever seen
-The first distillation apparatuses (alcohol)
-The cultivation of pretroleum (8th centruy)
-They pioneered dentistry as we know
Those are 3 things of countless contributions.
I'm trying to help you not come off as a racist, but you're making it very hard for me.
I meant to say 4 things, I added dentistry because it is significant. I mean without teeth, how can I eat my fried chicken.
Standard Muslim mindset? I'll let you know that I'm not too religious. I rarely pray unless I'm forced to. I celebrate holidays. I read the Qu'ran when my mom makes me, although I try to avoid it. Most of my beliefs are evident in many religions, so it is wrong to assume I have a Muslim mindset.
The definition of "dhimmis" that I stated came straight from my History textbook. We were discussing Islam a week or two ago in my History class and many things popped up. As for protected peoples, it is more of a sense in the next life, I believe.
America had to move a long way to get to where it is today. Other countries haven't advanced in every possible way yet. At one point President Obama would have had no chance of being elected, nor have had the chance to even try. At one point whites were greater than blacks in many peoples' minds. That has changed a big deal over the last hundred years. Not all countries function the same way. I understand that some governments influenced by Islam may be discriminative to Jews and Christians, but you don't know if that's going to stay that way. Also, if they dislike it, Christians and Jews could easily leave the country.
Okay, so maybe a capital crime may include suggesting Christianity to a Muslim. I'm not sure how credible Winfred's or your sources may be, but I'll go with it for now. That kind of a punishment may be too extreme, but need I remind you that this is not a perfect, ideal world?
"Do you ever wonder why non-muslims leave muslim countries?"
^ Haha, I stated that they could leave if they wanted to. So okay, they leave. Big deal, they're safe. If it's a Muslim country, then they can go ahead and leave if they're not Muslim. If you're calling a country Muslim, you're basically saying that Muslims rule that land, and not Christians or Jews.
If you'd like, I can suggest for you to come to an assembly at my school and share your views. I think you'd be very unsuccessful in attracting students, over 90% of them white, to your opinions and views.
Oh, just to mention Muslim achievements.
They improved the Chinese tactics of paper-making, which is one of the most important things in today's world.
They also advanced greatly in medicine, and they preserved the maths and sciences from the ancient world while Europe settled its own problems.
Why do you think Islam has over a billion members, being second behind Christianity? Obviously the Islamic views are very attractive, much more than many other religions.
I'm not being discriminative here; I don't dislike people for being non-Muslim or for being a certain race or whatever. I'm just trying to make you think about some important things.
Hey no_slappz, guess what? Muslims can leave muslim countries too!!! And having to wear clothes suggested by the Qu'ran is being religious. And since apparently there's only one Muslim country, you're hatin' on Iran, which is a country that I don't like myself.
English translations are just as good as Arabic forms of the Qu'ran. Some things might get somewhat distorted through translation, but for the most part the English translations are quite reliable.
Google for a definition of Islam, I'm sure you'll find a good one eventually. And just to mention, what are the definitions of Christianity and Judaism? Shall we take out some high school textbooks and do some research?
ben garner, you can play the naive high school student if you wish.
But, with the exception of Israel, the population of every country from the Atlas Mountains in Africa to Bangladesh is almost 100% muslim. And the residents live under the thumb of sharia law.
Debating meaningless terminology regarding the definition of an indigenous government shows only your desire to avoid reality through obfuscation, temporizing and dissembling.
What exactly is the naive high school student?
Here's what I have to say: According to the newspaper, and my econ teacher, they have video footage of him going into one bathroom, leaving quickly and then going into another and leaving quickly, and fires occurred at both. If he didn't do it, then the camera would have caught whoever went in afterwards. And if you are going to say someone set fire before he went in, why didn't he report it? I know it's not cool to snitch and all but from the teacher and other people's point of view, the fact that you don't report it makes you a bad citizen because this isn't some minor shit where someone just gets a suspension. He could end up in jail. There's a max sentence of 7 years if he goes but he won't serve that long.
Also, concerning the fires going on when he's not there, the teachers believe it's his friends doing it to make it look like he's innocent. Whoever is setting the fires, you should just stop. Cameras are being set up everywhere now.
If Ben Garner is the "naive high school student," then what the fuck are you?
Can you please tell us what you do for a living?
Or where you've gone to school?
Something to show what you are as a human being since you're not a "naive high school student?"
mahir,
Non-muslims leave muslim countries due to the intolerance of Islam. Obviously the muslim countries of the middle east are inhospitable to non-muslims. The sore point is religion, which is then reflected in economic opportunity. For non-muslims it is close to zero.
It seems to escape you that muslim governments govern based on the rantings found in the Qu'ran.
Are you unaware of the importance of separating government and religion? It seems you think a religious government -- even as a concept -- is reasonable.
Anyway, it is due to the fact that muslims do not want to separate religion from government that the muslim world is still rather close to living in the 7th century.
mahir,
If you want to give credit for the invention of the wheel to a muslim, it's okay with me.
You seem incapable of grasping the fact that NOTHING of consequence has come from the muslim world for 1,000 years.
Here's a way to look at it. Do muslims win any Nobel Prizes?
Well, Yassar Arafat, the determined killer of Jews, received one.
How about science, math, literature and all the other categories? Virtually none in science and math, and perhaps one in literature.
By the way, there is no real art in Islam. It seems the Qu'ran opposes it.
Don't you mean due to the intolerance of the Islam influenced country? And apparently only Iran is a "Muslim country" so you're just speaking for one country in the world compared to the 160+ other countries.
Lololololol, I don't understand anything in the Qu'ran since I do not understand Arabic nor have I read an English version, so you're wrong right there. If you're calling a government Muslim, then they're obviously influenced in some way by the religion, otherwise you'd just call it a government, not a Muslim government.
I'm saying what apparently exists in Iran. Obviously separation of church and state is important. Not all countries have that, so just wait for the perfect world you apparently want, although it'll never happen.
If it's a Muslim world, then non-Muslims don't need to be in it. That way everyone's happy. So what's the big deal?
And can you please give some more information on who exactly you are?
Many have already said they're Stuy students, which Ben Garner certainly is judging from Facebook and his statements of his ID and homeroom. As for myself I stated I was accepted and decided to go to a private school instead of Stuy last year, and I'm just commenting because I'm infuriated by your misplaced views. I will check in 20 minutes or so for comments since I'll be eating dinner. Adios for now. NO ME HINCHES.
mahir,
Why the fuck would I give credit to a Muslim for something invented long before Islam?
"You seem incapable of grasping the fact that NOTHING of consequence has come from the muslim world for 1,000 years."
Quote me for what made you say this.
"Here's a way to look at it. Do muslims win any Nobel Prizes?
Well, Yassar Arafat, the determined killer of Jews, received one."
Your religion doesn't impact your IQ or whatever, so it's just discrimination to say Muslims don't do significant things because they're Muslim.
Muslims are pretty smart, so just wait. Checkout Stuys percentage of browns or whatever.
Art isn't just pictures just to let you know.
Lmao~
no_slappz is such a troll. :D
He's the worse kind of troll, too.
He clearly knows nothing of the modern Muslim religion, and is only using the beliefs of radical Muslim groups as evidence. It's even more obscure than comparing blueberries and cherries since they're both berries.
By your logic, all Muslims are inconsiderate and terrorists. Good job. You've just stereotypically generalized one of the largest groups in the world. -clap-
The rest of your argument? It's based on the New York Post article. You're accusing him of setting 9 fires when you haven't realized that he was not even in the school for the majority of them. You also say that there's video evidence incriminating him but you've failed to do your research and realize that it only shows him entering and exiting a bathroom, along with a large horde of other students.
I suggest you get a real education of the world you live in before you post ignorance like this. I pity you, really, as I pity all trolls.
As for my fellow Stuyvesant classmates, I thank you for actually posting educated responses. Don't feed the troll too much, now.
locklockboy,
There are reasons the muslim world is in the backward state it has been in for centuries.
There are reasons it has not moved ahead with the leading nations of the world.
Actually, it all boils down to one reason: Islam.
Well over a billion people structure their lives around the rantings of schizophrenic who wrote a book in the 7th century. The book has been so popular that a number of countries have formed governments based on it.
locklockboy, just for fun, ask the parents of a muslim friend for their thoughts on Israel and the creation of a Palestinian state.
okay, despite heaping piles of emotion and instructions on what I should do to myself, not one of you has offered any information that exonerates the arrestee.
No alibis. No new suspects. Just throwing a lot of dust in the air.
My Muslim parents don't give a fuck about Israel FYI. Can you comment on my two other recent posts please?
mahir,
Your most recent post says nothing.
Like I said, muslims have contributed nothing of consequence to the world's body of knowledge for a thousand years.
The results are in.
There are no muslim scientists or mathematicians in the world today who have performed any groundbreaking work.
There is no need for a patent office in muslim countries because nothing is invented.
It is a sad state, but true, nevertheless.
mahir, you wrote:
"And apparently only Iran is a "Muslim country" so you're just speaking for one country..."
Maybe you need a refresher course in the nations of the world.
Northern Africa is a collection of muslim countries. The middle east, with the exception of Israel, is another collection of muslim countries. A number of the former republics in the Soviet Union are now independent muslim nations.
There is a muslim province in China.
Your insistence that there is only one "muslim country" is just silly.
No slappz,
You've failed to respond to my comments. I'm still waiting.
Unless you think that you're above me because of my last name? Or you think you're too good to respond to a jew? Which is it? Kindly respond. It hurts my young, naive (OH, that dig really hurt), tortured soul that you failed to respond.
So, here goes,
no slappz,
your last comments have been quite disappointing. You write that the people commenting (with different ids) are the same person? That just seems like a silly excuse for you to not respond to our posts. Getting lazy? Or are you just too stupid to respond? Or maybe, you aren't stupid- you just don't have legitimate responses. I believe it's the latter.
You write: But he was arrested.
Yes, he was arrested. However, like I said before: One is innocent before proven guilty. His arrest does not incriminate him. Mohammed (kindly spell his name right....it's not Mohammad, its MohammEd. Your arguments would be a lot more worthy of my response if you managed to spell his simple name right.) was ARRESTED. Not jailed and proven guilty, but merely under suspicion. You need to draw distinctions between being suspected and being proven guilty.
Yes, the NYPost reported his ARREST for arson. The NYPost is more of a tabloid than the enquirer. It's a tabloid- not a legit paper. You want news- read real newspapers, not the NYPost. Further, the NYPost is written at such a level so as to ensure that fourth graders can read it. To contrast, the NYTimes is written at the level of a ninth grader.
What's further, none of us are arguing against free speech. We say nothing about how you shouldn't be spewing your stupidity- merely that your post is stupid and racist. The funny thing is, you fail to respond to the fact that per our government ONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If you want to teach us about the government, you might want to read up on it before you look like an idiot and a hypocrite.
No posters have mentioned the mosque he attends (and I feel I can speak for all of us) because it DOESN'T MATTER. His mosque has nothing to do with him setting fires at our school. Nothing. His family has nothing to do with his setting (or not setting) fires. My family has nothing to do with this post. My synagogue has nothing to do with my feelings on this matter. If he did set the fire, it's not because his mosque or his family told him to. Stop creating a situation where there is none. Whoever set the fires is some kid being stupid. Not some kid being a terrorist.
You also doubt our being Stuyvesant students. I can't speak for the others here, but if you'd like my full name and student id, I'd be glad to give them to you. You can call the school and find out if I am a student at Stuyvesant.
As to who reported the fires, the teachers and the students could smell them. You can smell and feel the smoke in the air...don't be silly. Teachers and custodians and students could smell and feel the smoke- they walked into the bathrooms (this happened all of last week) and went into the bathrooms (and hallway and stairway) to attempt to put the fires out. There aren't smoke detectors in the bathrooms...it doesn't take a genius (or a Stuy student) to sense fire, though.
Also, that's a really cheap shot you took: calling out our English and grammar....do you have nothing better to say than criticize a bunch of high school kids for their grammar? I can also personally guarantee you that my English and grammar are far better than yours are or will ever be.
Have a lovely day, no slappz.
OH! AND THIS ONE:
OH, AND THIS ONE:
You guys,
no slappz is the moron who also wrote this blogpost:
AG Eric Holder, Booking Agent for Muslim Terrorist Acts
click on the link.
so, basically,
if i'm following correctly (or maybe I'm just making the leap):
Eric Holder is a Stuy graduate.
Mohammed Hassan is a Stuy student.
no slappz accuses eric holder of being a booking agent for terrorists.
no slappz accuses mohammed of being a terrorist.
OH!!! I GET IT NOW. WE'RE ALL TERRORISTS. AND WE ALL SUPPORT TERRORISTS.
AND ALL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT TERRORISTS. oh, ok. i can see your argument.
this makes sense. a lot of sense.
thanks for enlightening me no slappz.
GOLLY GEE, MISTER, YOU'VE REALLY PROVIDED MY LIFE WITH SUCH MEANING. THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!
you continue to insistent on Muslims being good-for-nothing just because you don't think they've done anything significant recently.
wow.
and those posts had some questions that you keep avoiding. so try answering the questions thank you very much.
Also I'm taking Ben Garner's comment about the muslim country thing as true, although I have said that I'm not completely saying what he said is complete fact.
SharonCruz, you make me laugh. Thanks (:
I go to Stuyvesant high School I also know this kid, regardless of the fact that this kid is by and large a good kid. I think that your assumption that because he is muslim and therefore a possible jihadist is not correct. For one thing the fires he has been accused of have not put anyone in danger (the bathroom tiles are not flamabale) and also there is no pronounced motive for this so called jihadist activity. If he was a jihadist like Major Hasan at fort Hood then he would say why he is doing what he did, but he is actually denying doing it which goes against the whole jihadist terrorist idea.
Now onto the actual accusation, since his suspension, there have been many more fires. quite allot more. in Fact today 11/24 there was a fire which forced us to evacuate the building, now Mohammed didnt start it, he wasnt in school today. so he isnt the arsonist. Now it is "possible" that he have commited the first fire, but i have not seen the evidence and neither have you, so you have no legitamate fram of reference. Furthermore I know firsthand that the resolution and image quality of the hallway cameras is anything but precise. And there are many kids who look like Mohammed at Stuyvesant, Who is to say it wasn't lets say a different person from that region who is Hindu or maybe *gasp* even Christian.
One last thing about fires, it all has to do with intention in my opinion. In my mind and i hope the mids of others there is a difference between, tossing a smoldering cigarette or joint into a garbage can, setting a prank fire, and trying to commit an act of "Jihad" as you would put it. Not all fires are caused with malicious intent, many fires are caused by negligence or a mistake.
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This blog ought to be brought to his trial since Stuy students obviously have some quite significant comments in his defense. Also damn, how'd you figure that all out SharonCruz?
Thanks for trying to get off-topic again.
Obviously you have never had a real Muslim friend in your life, and only base your opinion on the news of radical Muslim groups.
The fact that you use religion and race to profile people is already enough reason for me to believe that I can't penetrate the walls of ignorance that are within your head. It's like trying to convert a radio spewing out racial slurs. Absolutely meaningless.
Anyway, Minhaz was arrested for suspicion that he committed the act. The only evidence against him is that he was caught on camera near the crime scene. That can only raise him up for logical accusation. There's no incriminating evidence at all.
And you say that he's a possible Jihadist. Support it.
If you say that it's because he's Muslim, that's religious profiling, which is against the Constitution.
Once again, I implore you to read a legitimate history book and learn what the Islamic religion really is.
Stop watching Fox News and reading the New York Post.
Until I see a sensible comeback from you that is based on logical evidence, I am not replying.
Btw Richard is me.
Check out the info in Islam on this textbook:
A History of Western Society
McKay | Hill | Buckler | Crowston | Wiesner-Hanks|
And I love how you're avoiding revealing your identity and age. All of us have given you more than we should on our identity, so it would be just as fair for you to do the same.
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SharonCruz, it'd just be simple to leave them unmarried. They marry, they survive another generation. They don't marry eachother, they have no chance of getting spouses at their current state, so we save ourselves from another generation of morons. :D
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Haha.
I love how this bitch has stopped commenting. Anything she says is going to be easily arguable. Like seriously. I'm a fucking freshman and I'm not doing half bad. She's probably a high school dropout, but whatever, she's still older. This has just become laughable. I pray that she'll just give up and quit being easily argued against / laughed at.
Did Mohammed Hassan have the means, motive and opportunity to commit arson? Yes.
let's just address this for a second.
means: a lighter, matches, etc. not exactly weapons of mass destruction here, don't think anyone would have too much trouble getting a hold of those.
motive: this is where it gets tricky, SINCE YOU DON'T GO TO STUYVESANT, AND DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. at stuy, different floors correspond to different subjects. every day is a different test day for a subject. by and large, the fires have occurred at times and in places that correspond to these parameters. for example, the first fire occured on the 3rd floor, the history floor, and on a friday, the day for history tests. the building was evacuated for about an hour, however, the damage to the 3rd floor meant that students were not able to attend history classes that day. let's use some powers of deduction here and infer that a student wanted to get his or herself, and some friends out of a test! there is nothing to suggest terrorist activity, let alone the intent to kill anyone.
opportunity: the chance to enter a school bathroom
well "no slappz" you've really set up a logically compelling argument. and by saying that i mean you're a complete fucking idiot. yes, minhaze did have the means, motive, and opportunity to set these fires. so did 3,200 other students.
also please respond to ben garner, he is an intelligent human being and made some interesting arguments, wonder why you haven't responded? OH THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE HE FLAMED YOUR SORRY ASS
Megatron, whoever the fuck you are, you are retarded. He didn't set the school on fire. He didn't even ALLEGEDLY set the school on fire. He's suspected of a small BATHROOM fire. Get your facts right. I bet you're pretty jealous you didn't get accepted to Stuy. I mean so many people want to go there, but only like 800/26k students get in. If I could, I would give you the seat I gave up since you apparently are so fucking desperate for it.
FLAMED
Hey, I don't know what happened and frankly I couldn't care less.
I'm just saying, if he were to do it he would have many different motives besides simply a religious motive, no matter how archaic and brutish the religion may be (or may be perceived to be).
To be quite honest, no_slappz writes with the pretentious internet neck beard demeanor, if you're going to say someone else has NO credibility, what gives you the credibility to say something? You elitist greased up neck beard; do everyone a favor and stop having an opinion.
locklockboy, richard, as I have stated, the police arrested Hassan because he appeared on video in an incriminating way.
If you know someone else is the arsonist, then you should report that person.
However, if other students are now starting additional fires to cover the tracks of Mohammed, then the school and the NYPD will have many more arsonists to pursue.
So what gives you the right to use the derogatory term of "faggots?" I'm not gay, but I take offense to that since apparently my high school has a good population of pro-gay rights and quite a few homosexuals. I mean we had Danny O'Donald come in and speak and he became popular with us because of what he said that day. Later some anti-gay guy came in and he got flamed at during a Q&A session so... yeah.
analphabetapolotholotology,
You can doubt my credibility with all your heart. Who cares?
Greasy neckbeard libertarian spouts pseudo-politics involving the only thing he has life experience with, high school. What else is new?
stuystudentID#7567,HomeRoom:3J,
Yeah, 3,200 students had the means, motive and opportunity to start the fires. But Hassan was the one arrested. Why? Because the video placed at the scene.
Since the fires were not imaginary, there is an arsonist on the loose. But the police believe they caught the culprit.
Let me know if the NYPD drops the charges and clears Hassan.
no_slappz,
What happened to all your conclusions about Mohammed Hassan's jihadi connections and future as a terrorist?
You haven't mentioned anything in a while and that story was starting to get good!
Also, have you found those specific lines in the Qu'ran that can back up your points yet? Or anything in a constitution/charter of any Arabian country?
Also I'm still waiting on the naive high schooler definition.
Also, (last one I promise!), are you watching V, because that show is the bomb!
sharoncruz,
It seems you have broken out into a full-blown hysteria.
As for writing on blogs, you can write whatever you like and I'll write whatever I like.
WOOOOOOAAAH
WOAH
WOAH
libertarianism has nothing to do with this guy
if you meant to say racist, uninformed idiot then yes, that is exactly what this guys is
mahir,
What question?
It does not take a genius to know that no_slappz has wiped the floor with all of you. This guy is entitled to his own opinions, so stop arguing against him and move on with life. A lot of you are trying to defend Mohammad with passionate feelings and not with any proofs on anything. You guys say no_slappz has no credibility on the matter, but neither do any of you.
By the way, I go to Stuy.
Read my last 7 or so comments. They have some nice questions. Easy way use the ctrl+f feature and search from bottom to top for "Mahir"
What exactly are Muslim countries?
Women in this country were only allowed to vote merely 90 or so years ago. The US is a far more advanced country than most, so like you said the FUTURE. Wait for these countries to experience change, which will only come with time. You'll probably be dead by then anyways, but then again, that's a good thing ain't it?!
@SharonCruz: Do you go to Bryant High School, perhaps?
no_slappz, as much as I appreciate your anti-Islamic sentiment, you seem to be just as reactionary as the people you criticize. It's clear you're taking this event as a way to publicize your otherwise unreadable and uninteresting political blog.
What leads you to believe she goes to Bryant, if it's relative?
you have also previously stated that because Minhaze must be a muslim, because his name is of muslim origin, that his motive is jihad(and we're not going with the standard definition of jihad, I am referring to your deluded sense of the concept). by explaining to you the situation of where the fires took place, and when, I meant to explain to you that the progression of events logically suggests that the student(s) responsible wanted to get out of tests. and it's not like that makes sense, I mean no student has ever wanted to get out of a test before, right???
I'm not saying that Minhaze is innocent or guilty, I'm saying the evidence is CIRCUMSTANTIAL. this means he was around the crime when it was commited, yes, as were a myriad other students. I am also telling you that there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that Minhaze is a terrorist.
therefore, by my calculations, you're an idiot
no slappz,
way to cop out.
ignore the full-blown hysteria and answer my questions. it's really not that hard.
I'll treat you with respect and dignity once you muster up a few legitimate answers.
Thanks.
@megatron,
I thought I made fairly clear that I go to Stuy...Again, brush up on those reading skills...they'll come in handy some day, I promise. Funny, though. It's too bad the comment as to my going to Bryant doesn't really hurt...where do you go? The HS for Young Pregnant Women?
sharon cruz, some of your comments were quite insulting to christianity
it's not really helping to argue with a racist, offensive biggot by being offensive yourself
back up there
my middle school was a huge feeder for bryant
and i know lots of smart kids that go there
chill the fuck out and meet the kids there first.
there are probably ppl there a lot smarter than u
bryant is actually a pretty good high school even if its not as good as stuy or some private school
PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE AWESOME FYI (except collegiate...)
back up there
my middle school was a huge feeder for bryant
and i know lots of smart kids that go there
chill the fuck out and meet the kids there first.
there are probably ppl there a lot smarter than u
bryant is actually a pretty good high school even if its not as good as stuy or some private school
PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE AWESOME FYI (except collegiate...)
@no_slappz
I think we all know that. o__o I'm not saying he didn't do it. He still has a trial to go through for that. But I think assuming he's a Jihadist and not just a regular arsonist IF he did it is way too far, especially since you base it off his religion, and do not know all the details.
@Zero
No_slappz based her argument out of racial and religion-type stereotypes. I believe that most of us are just appalled that she is using an unconstitutional opinion to manifest a rationale. Face it. Racism gets no credibility, especially if it's against the law.
LOL @ Ben and V. DRAMA PATROL~
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH.
@anonymous, that was sort of the point...
and megatron,
a) you don't know if that's my full name OR my real name
b) you don't know me, yet you call me a blithering idiot. cute. do you want to provide me with the answers that your buddy no slappz hasn't?
Mahir, you go to the best school in New York City, try to type like it please :)
Also, I didn't want to bring out the anecdotal evidence, but as a gay male I'm deeply offended that anyone would imply that I'm homophobic. I love gay people, in multiple senses of the word.
ill respond to that comment tomorrow
but what about the questions on your identity that you skipped? answer those.
i dont go to stuy
i go to a private school which i chose over stuy
get the facts right
and im in a rush right now
this is a fucking blog
i dont really care about "typing [correctly]" here.
and im out until tomorrow. adios.
sharoncruz, you seem to have an edge that has you projecting a lot onto others. Oh well.
What questions do you have. Your posts are just rants and raves and make almost no sense.
Stop bombarding no_slappz with all these questions. Do any of you expect one person to answer the questions of so many people all at once? By the time he finishes replying to one person, two more people come along and ask even more questions. And don't try to act smart and ask me to answer your questions instead, because I can tell that that's what some of you may be thinking to do before having finished reading this last sentence.
Also, Sharon (if that is your real name, ha), you lecture me about reading comprehension? I'm saying this no slappz character is a sensationalist blaming the crime on what seems to be his scapegoat for everything (which is the impression I gain while scanning over this poor excuse of a "political" blog).
No slappz,
the question is as follows:
how can you possibly correlate an arsonist at a public high school to a jihadist?
more specifically, how is the only justification that you have for doing so is that he is a muslim? is that not racist and completely discriminatory?
At megatron,
I digress. Thanks for calling me a blithering idiot, though.
What are your thoughts on the Tamil Tigers?
1. You kinda switch around your main point.
-What is your main point? you only get one. are you saying he's a terrorist or are you saying muslims are terrorists?
2. We are not arguing over whether minhaze is the arsonist or not, we're pissed because you're really racist.
-you're claiming muslims are inherently horrible people.
-you claim they haven't brought anything of consequence to the world for a 1000 years, and no muslim is doing anything significant today.
-you directly insult Mohammed.
3. You answer with questions
-this is pretty obvious. let's hear actual arguments
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1. Minhaze is not muslim.
2. Muslims have done more than Christians.
-yeah, i just said that, and i'm not even brown.
-christianity brought the dark ages, while islam brought peace to a area filled with rivaling tribes.
-christianity is better now that it isn't followed blindly, and the exact same could be said of islam.
3. The tamil tigers are buddhist (that's my religion), and have the highest death toll out of all. this is from a religion that preaches peace and compassion.
-religion merely provides a moral standpoint as justification for your actions.
-religion is good, but is horrible when abused
-i talk about all religions, and this includes christianity.
4. Not all muslims are terrorists. Christians justify the active persecutions and scaring (terrorism) of gays (and other groups) in America, they just cannot actively murder them all.
-christians justify such discrimination with the bible
-muslims have political reasons to do so
5. there are many other terror groups out there that aren't muslim
-think back to the 80's and the terrors in england. the muslims are just doing this now.
-israel uses overwhelming violence when dealing with conflict now.
-if you say anything about jews, remember that christians still justify their actions according to the bible, and actively persecute jews in russia (and many, many other places.)
6. therefore, you are racist
-this will be a long point, basically because it's tying in alot of what i said before.
-you are racist because you cite empirical evidence to directly claim the inferiority of a race/religion
-you are racist because you cite them as the current main source of violence in the world
-you are racist because you directly call them inferior, just because of their origins
-you are racist because you claim such inferiority and you also claim that anyone who fits into such category of race will (that means will, not might) indeed commit acts of terrorism.
-you are racist because you generalize the actions of specific groups of people (that are organized mainly on similar political beliefs - terrorists) onto a whole larger group of people that doesn't really correlate.
-you are racist because you claim that any such member is capable and will do such acts as another one, with no evidence other than the fact that the people who are terorists done such acts before
7. other points
-stop attacking grammar. it does nothing
-stop answering questions with questions
-stop using logical fallacies. there are numerous ones that other have cited but basically, proving a point by using the same point cannot work. that's like trying to define a word, but using that word in the definition
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wow i wrote a lot. i tried to organize it so i hope i can help you respond.
other people, you do need to be clearer, and stop using profanity and calling names
anyway, because it is hard to respond to everything above, these are several questions that can help you:
1. are you being racist? y/n, and only answer with either a yes or a no. this provides a firm base.
2. would you call generalizing a whole race based on the actions of one specific group racist?
3. are muslims inferior and how?
4. do you admit that christians, the tamil tigers, etc. have the same justification for doing what they do as muslims - their faith?
5. there was another fire today, a big one. what does this say?
Okay, I'm finding this frankly ridiculous. Who are you to be spreading this slander? I mean, I love the fact that you're going around calling this kid a terrorist and god knows what else, I honestly couldn't read much of your post, it made me want to puke all over whoever you are.
Really wondering right now, who are you? You're brave enough to insult this kid and talk shit [pardon] about him all over your precious little blog, yet you hide behind a username.
I can't even argue with you right now, because I think everything that could be said, has been said. People before me, great job. Love you Ben Garner & sroberta/Sharon Cruz, you make my day <3.
You, no_slappz, are just a douche. I'm sorry for reverting to curses, but you are. There's nothing more to say to you, or about you.
The inflamed student body reminds me of the mindless zombies in Night of the Living Dead. It's wise to understand what you are defending.
Gay Rights in the Islamic State of Iran
Imam in the UK accused of 'gay death' slur
A gay rights campaigner has accused an Imam of saying the execution of gay Muslims to stop the spread of disease is "for the common good of man".
Dr John Casson visited Arshad Misbahi, the Imam at Manchester Central Mosque, to discuss concerns over the execution of homosexual Muslims in Iran.
Dr Casson, a psychotherapist, said he was shocked at what had been said.
He said he set up the meeting to open dialogue with the Muslim community after reading about two gay teenagers, Mahmood Asghari and Ilyas Mahoni, who were hanged in the Islamic State of Iran.
Homosexuality isn't allowed in Islam. The death penalty has many problems, whether in the US or Iran or whatever country. Even in the US racism can be seen with the use of the death penalty. I wrote a research paper last summer on this, you're free to check it out and learn more about some problems with the death penalty in the UNITED STATES. Don't let it surprise you that other countries have problems with the death penalty too.
The Plot Thickens
A 16-year-old Stuyvesant High School student was caught on camera setting two fires in school bathrooms this week, according to police. Cops arrested junior Mohammed Hassan after obtaining surveillance tapes that apparently show the teen entering a seventh-floor bathroom at 1:13 pm and leaving two minutes later as a trash can went up in flames. At 1:16 pm, a different camera purportedly captures Hassan entering and quickly exiting another bathroom, leaving "bright orange and yellow flames rising out of a large garbage can," according to investigators quoted by the Daily News.
The tabloid notes that the suspect allegedly bragged about setting the fires, and states that a witness spotted a teen fitting Hassan's description enter a bathroom just before one of the fires broke out, then bump into another student as he "hastily" fled. The former math club member has been charged in connection with the two blazes, but he has not been linked to seven other small fires that broke out in the past few days in Stuyvesant stairwells, bathrooms, garbage cans and paper towel dispensers. Details on the charges are a little unclear, as the Post and the Daily News report that Hassan is being charged with setting the fires on Tuesday, though the Times and a later Daily News story claim he is being charged with setting fires on Thursday.
The News notes that if convicted, Hassan could face up to seven years in jail, but his lawyer claims his client is too smart to be an arsonist. "He's a bright kid," said attorney Kevin Faga. "His idea is to go to Harvard and eventually to law school." The suspect's father spoke with reporters outside his Bronx apartment and claimed his child — who according to the Daily News "cowered behind him, hiding his face in the hood of a sweatshirt" after being freed on bail of $2,500 — was "being framed." "This is a false accusation," said Hassan's father, who added that the second fire broke out while his son was in detention. "My boy doesn't know anything about any fires and they don't have any concrete evidence. My son is a good boy."
Further:
Hassan was captured on a surveillance camera setting the mini-blazes, officials said.
"He was caught on a video camera the school has," said Department of Education spokeswoman Margie Feinberg.
Sources said Hassan set garbage cans and paper towel dispensers on fire in the fourth-floor bathroom, a 10th-floor hallway and in a stairwell between the fifth and sixth floors.
The arrest comes as fire marshals are investigating several other fires at the school in the past week, sources said.
Looks like a plea bargain is in order. Funny how all his friends swear to his innocence, when he stars in the video. What other deceptions did his friends attest to?
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mahir, you seem to have the usual muslim determination to show some support for Islamic lunacy while simultaneously attempting present the US as a misguided state.
You wrote:
"Homosexuality isn't allowed in Islam."
As if it should matter what one schizophrenic nut said about homosexuality in the 7th century.
This points out a huge problem with Islam. Its followers claim it is the word of their god, and therefore the word is perfect.
Thus, the muslim believes he lacks the right to change or ignore the word of the Qu'ran.
when the Qu'ran is the foundation of the laws of a nation, then things get much worse. Then the nutty muslims can impose punishments on people for being themselves.
Other religions are limited to applying moral pressure. Muslims are limited by nothing and frequently apply the death penalty for such "crimes" as adultery, homosexuality and, for the non-muslims caught in Islamic countries, the death penalty for attempting to convert muslims to Christianity.
You wrote:
"The death penalty has many problems, whether in the US or Iran or whatever country."
The death penalty poses no problems in muslim countries.
You wrote:
"Even in the US racism can be seen with the use of the death penalty."
Please. The US executes very few people, but those who are executed have committed brutal crimes. And no one misses those who are executed.
Anyway, based on your view of things, adultery is equal to mass murder. And it appears you believe the government has the right to regulate your personal life in the bedroom.
You wrote:
"I wrote a research paper last summer on this, you're free to check it out and learn more about some problems with the death penalty in the UNITED STATES."
Insignificant liberal nonsense.
You wrote:
"Don't let it surprise you that other countries have problems with the death penalty too."
None of the European nations employ the death penalty. But many nations do, and in many nations, people are executed before they get to court.
Honor killings in Pakistan and other muslim nations are always great examples.
r u mad that ur never going to be as successful any stuyvesant students?
"...the Qu'ran, a book written in the 7th century by a schizophrenic."
I don't know what your religion is, nor whether you have one. But that statement is nothing less than insulting to all Muslims. Either way, you have absolutely no proof to back that up.
One more thing - all the points you bring up on Islamic terrorists and the sort are a form of RADICAL EXTREMISTS. Not every Muslim is like that. I wouldn't be surprised if every Muslim you told that would respond to you with hate - don't expect any respect from Muslims if you just want to insult their religion. And please don't say they respond that way because they're Muslims - they respond that way because you're just being a close-minded racist.
I'm really sorry you waste so many peoples' time on your blog. I could care less if Mohammed Hasan really caused the fire. There's a difference between accusing him and going forth to insult his religion and all other Muslims though. When you could've argued there was a correlation, you instead claimed it to be true, and completely denounced the religion with racist claims. I would appreciate a response, but in all honestly, I don't see any point posting on this blog any further.
http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/no_slappz-is-a-liar-duh/
You have many friends!
Little has changed here. Hassan was arrested by the New York Police Department. The police had sufficient evidence to book him.
If the police decide Hassan is not the fire-starting culprit, the charges will be dropped.
But that has not happened.
For most teenagers, getting busted for starting a fire in a trash can would mean little. But for a student at Stuyvesant, an arrest for this crime will have a far more damaging impact on one's life.
The usual pay-off for graduating from Stuyvesant is probably off the table for Hassan. Is there a college that wants a student who might set a building on fire? Not likely.
His best bet is to get a lawyer and make a deal. He needs to confess in exchange for having the affair removed from his record. Otherwise, he can forget about going to a top college.
His father has to stop talking to the press. The man is a fool. He's already made a rapproachment with the school nearly impossible. Accusing the principal of Stuyvesant of lying about his son's involvement in starting the fires is no way to manage the episode.
Anyway, whether or not you can handle the truth, the truth about the Qu'ran is that it is a book written in the 7th century by a schizophrenic.
The backwardness of the muslim world for the last 1,000 years should give you a clue that something in Islam is way off course.
Winfred's sad because his lovers were killed, isn't that it?
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Absolutely correct: the mindless prattle continues. A bunch of babies, without a clue, continue ranting in a childish fashion, while claiming to be intelligent-amusing.
Discover Islam
Acid attack on boy who 'refused sex with Muslim cleric'
By Massoud Ansari in Karachi
Published: 12:01AM GMT 08 Feb 2004
On his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old Abid Tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured.
The teenager talked, with difficulty, of how his life had been destroyed since the fateful day in June 2002 when he refused to have sex with his teacher at a religious school in Pakistan.
The boy was horrifically injured in an acid attack after he rebuffed the Muslim cleric's sexual advances. Now, he has alarmed Pakistan's powerful religious establishment by pressing charges against his alleged assailants.
A teacher at the school, who cannot be named for legal reasons, and two of his friends are in prison awaiting trial for attempted murder and rape. All three deny the charges. A fourth alleged attacker is still at large.
It is the first such case to be brought against a Muslim cleric and threatens to expose a scandal of sex abuse within Pakistan's secretive Islamic schools.
Abid was blinded and maimed in the assault, which he says came shortly after he rejected sexual demands from the Islamic teacher at a madrassa in a crowded, lower middle-class district of Karachi. "He threatened to ruin me for life," Abid recalled, "but I didn't take him seriously. I just stopped going to the madrassa".
Abid, who was 14 at the time, told neither parents nor friends what had happened because, he said, he was ashamed. A few days later, as he played with his brothers and sister at home, he said that his religious teacher - accompanied by three associates - broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: "This should be a lesson for your life."
Abid was taken to a public hospital, where doctors told him that he would be scarred for life.
Lawyers and campaigners against sexual abuse of children say that it is not uncommon in Pakistan, especially in the segregated surroundings of the country's estimated 20,000 religious schools, but cases involving members of the clergy are rarely - if ever - exposed.
Islam turns every aspect of life into something bizarre. Sex gets the same treatment.
If one were to read a couple of accounts of people experiencing the onset of schizophrenia, and then read an account of Muhammad's life, it would be clear to more people that he was a hebephrenic having the usual hallucinations.
It is frightening that so many people for so many centuries have fallen for this deranged charlatan.
What the fuck is "the usual muslim determination to show some support for Islamic lunacy while simultaneously attempting present the US as a misguided state?"
Stop trying to use the fact that I'm Muslim against me because like I've said before, IM NOT RELIGIOUS.
You should get your dates right and be careful of what you call God, who the Qu'ran comes from, because you're going to go to Hell either way, no matter what religion you may be a part of.
Are you saying the word of God isn't perfect? What's more perfect than God?
"Other religions are limited to applying moral pressure. Muslims are limited by nothing and frequently apply the death penalty for such "crimes" as adultery, homosexuality and, for the non-muslims caught in Islamic countries, the death penalty for attempting to convert muslims to Christianity."
I want citation on this.
"The death penalty poses no problems in muslim countries."
This makes no sense; what are you talking about?
Okay, maybe you should read the key points I outlined in the research paper I wrote. Would you like me to e-mail it to you?
"And it appears you believe the government has the right to regulate your personal life in the bedroom."
I'm not saying I necessarily believe that, but there's a reason why prostitution is illegal, which does involve your personal life in the bedroom. And plus, marriage is a religious contract, but the license can only be provided by the government, so it's also a contract by law.
"Insignificant liberal nonsense."
What the fuck does that mean? Apparently you're saying I'm both liberal and conservative, since you're affiliating me with the muslim countries who "don't believe in changing what the Qu'ran says."
"None of the European nations employ the death penalty. But many nations do, and in many nations, people are executed before they get to court."
I think I wrote a sentence or two on this in my paper, but if not, I certainly remember it in one of the sources I used so you could check that out too.
"His best bet is to get a lawyer and make a deal. He needs to confess in exchange for having the affair removed from his record. Otherwise, he can forget about going to a top college."
Stop using what you've seen in Law & Order to predict what should happen in the future.
"His father has to stop talking to the press. The man is a fool. He's already made a rapproachment with the school nearly impossible. Accusing the principal of Stuyvesant of lying about his son's involvement in starting the fires is no way to manage the episode."
You're awfully good at insulting people you've never met before. Seems like we need to send you back a few hundred years to experience firsthand what happened so you can have some sense knocked into your ignorant head.
"Anyway, whether or not you can handle the truth, the truth about the Qu'ran is that it is a book written in the 7th century by a schizophrenic."
I want a citation on this bullshit.
Hey in the United States isn't it more Christians that are doing crimes than Muslims? That must mean Christianity is supposedly going backwards too!!!
And omfg, some individuals are stupid, but how the fuck do you expect to use their actions to generalize with the whole group? That just shows how UNintelligent you are.
And again, reveal your identity.
How old are you? What high school did you go to? I bet you went to a horrible high school.
Have you graduated from college? What college?
If you can't answer these simple questions, then you have pretty damn low credibility.
SNAKE HUNTERS,
some context for each of those quotes would be nice, don'tcha think?
mahir, you wrote:
"...be careful of what you call God, who the Qu'ran comes from, because you're going to go to Hell either way, no matter what religion you may be a part of."
For someone who says he is not religious, you have all the usual superstitions.
Let us get a few things straight. There is no Allah. Muhammad was not a prophet. Nor did Gabriel speak to him.
Muhammad was a schizophrenic who composed a book of 6,239 verses that takes most of its ideas from the Old Testament of the Bible.
The Qu'ran, like any well crafted piece of writing, is best read in the language in which it was written. For the Qu'ran that means Arabic. Like any book, it loses a lot in translation. It loses its rhyme, rhetoric and cadence in translation.
You asked:
"Are you saying the word of God isn't perfect?"
There is no Allah, or any other omnipotent power in the universe. Therefore, you do not need to wrestle with the concept of perfection.
You asked:
"What's more perfect than God?"
Since there is no god like the one in your imagination, there is no perfection either.
The sooner muslims learn this simple fact and begin focusing on earthly matters that improve daily life for themselve and others in the world, the sooner the world will become a better place.
However, since muslims believe the answers to all of life's dilemmas and challanges are found in a book written by a nut who lived in the 7th century, there is little chance the Islamic Jihad against the non-muslim world will end anytime soon.
mahir,
Feel free to send me your research paper.
My e-amil address is:
no_slappz@yahoo.com
mahir,
Regarding Hassan's father, as I said, the man is a fool and his willingness to accuse the principal of Stuyvesant of falsely claiming his son is an arsonist is going to convince the admissions people at every college in the country to throw the kid's application into the rejection pile.
No college will accept the liability of admitting a student who might start a fire in a dormitory. There have been several fatal dormitory fires in the last decade or two and the parents won big lawsuits against the schools.
Thus, no school will knowingly accept a firebug.
Ben Garner, leader of jerks sez about the Qur'an:
(See: 8:14 PM)
..."it does not say to kill them."
Sorry, but that's very wrong.
"Fight and slay the Pagans whereever ye find them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategm of war." Qur'an 9:5
Another bloody verse: "The punishment...against Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad...for mischief...is execution, crucifixion, or cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides...ect, etc." Qur'an 5:33
Need more of this grim stuff? I have the chapters & verse locations on a few dozen. reb
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I think that if the kid did do it, it wasn't some sort of terrorist act done by a 'future jihadist'. It was probably because he wanted to get out of a test or he thought it was funny. The fact that anyone could argue that the fires were an act of terror is preposterous! no_slappz, do you hear yourself? Because you sound like a cowardly ignorant idiot, hiding behind opinions he heard from people who know absolutely NOTHING about anything relating to the fires at Stuvesant. Do you even go to Stuy? Have you seen ANY of the video evidence that you call "compelling" (oh, and by the way, how does one '"escape" from video evidence...do they run screaming through a courtroom with their arms flailing? If you are going to try to make a strong case, you might start with using better grammar)? Are you in any way involved in the situation (or are you one of those people whose life revolves around finding other peoples' problems and blaming them on 'jihadists')? I am not saying he didn't do it, but just because he is of a different religion than you, doesn't give you any right to accuse him of being a radical terrorist. Furthermore, the fact that you compare the setting of a few fires in one of the nation's top schools (by a 16 year old kid, no less), to the deaths of 13 soldiers killed by someone who had psychological problems is insulting and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. If I had to choose one person out of everyone who has posted on this who I thought was most likely to commit a crime because of their radical ideas, I'd have to pick you for your cretinous, anti-Muslim attitude and your complete disregard for opinions other than your own.
Garner - If you need context, go to my links, tap Amillennialist; he's a Judeo-Christian scholar that has studied the Middle East most of his adult life, and knows the Holy Qur'an thoroughly. Knows the Latin also. He's one contra mundum.
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And also, what the hell is a rapproachment? Do you mean a rapprochement? I ask because rapproachment isn't a word. Maybe if you actually went to Stuyvesant, you'd know that! Second, since you sound so disconnected from everything and probably don't know about the real world, please allow me to teach you a little something. In the movies, people can cut deals with the government that allows their crime to be forgotten but in the real world, guess what! That doesn't happen! Even if the kid makes a deal, this will not be stripped from his record. That is not the way the judicial system here works.
I have another question no_slappz,
are you saying that because the conflict in Northern Ireland never left Ireland it was okay? Are you saying that because the death destruction and chaos never left Ireland, the people at fault were not terrorists? If so, that's a bit strange since I clearly remember that school children had to be walked to school by military forces every day. That seems like a response to terror. But I guess since I as an American didn't experience that fear first hand, it wasn't actually a problem with terrorism, right? Seriously, DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF?
And are you seriously saying that it is silly to follow the Qur'an because "As if it should matter what one schizophrenic nut said...in the 7th century"? The bible was written before the 7th Century by guys who had either been too scared to visit Jesus when he was imprisoned or who never met him. They had only heard of his greatness. It was written many years after Jesus's death. Have you ever heard of the game telephone. You see, in the game, you might start with something like, Jesus spit on my eyes and left. And you might end up with, Jesus spit on me and now I can see! He works miracles! So forgive me if I don't think the bible is any better than the Qur'an.
Plus, Christians claim that the bible is "the word of the Lord" every time the Gospel is read. I should know, I attend mass weekly.
Judaism also has aspects that claim certain beliefs as 'the will of God'.
And fact check, you said that the death penalty does not exist in any European countries. That is not true. Belarus (a European country) still has capital punishment. The fact that you didn't check whether what you were saying was true or not shows that you don't actually know what you are talking about.
anonymous,
You have no idea whether Hassan is, or is not a future jihadist. However, since he seems to have shown a willingness to engage in disruptive acts that cause some degree of panic among school leaders, he is a good prospect. He is showing some early promise in that department.
If his goal was to avoid a test, then creating chaos in the school by starting a fire fills the bill as a demonstration of low-level, early-stage terroristic impulses.
Meanwhile, as I have said, the POLICE arrested him. Not me. The POLICE. They arrested him because THEY possess compelling evidence.
Regarding the general nature of your comments -- they are nothing more than ad hominem attacks.
That's okay. They're harmless. But there is nothing more to them than personal attacks.
anonymous,
Regarding your assessment of the legal system, well, here's how it works. Minors get big breaks.
The kid is 16. If he and his moronic father want to get ahead of this situation, they can put it to rest by meeting with the police and school authorities, revealing the facts and asking for a little mercy.
Since there seems to be no doubt about whether or not he started at least two of the fires, any plan to deny guilt will backfire in the long run. Maybe in the short-run too.
If his moronic father wants to fight, then he will learn how expensive it can be to pay the attorney. If he is foolish enough to take the case to court, rather than settling, the possibility of a conviction arises.
However, because the kid is a minor, he can make everything go away if he gets the right advice.
anonymous,
Regarding other terrorist groups and other conflicts in the 20th and 21st centuries -- the problems between the Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland were dominated by terrorist acts committed by the IRA.
They committed their acts of terrorism in Northern Ireland and England. The geographical limitation of the conflict is a chief difference between that problem and the nature of Islamic terrorism.
The Islamic version of terrorism utilizes dedicated jihadists to kill non-muslims and other muslims anywhere on the globe. The goal is Islamic terrorism is unlike the goal of other terrorist groups.
The others are local operators. Thus, no one else in the world had to worry about the Tamil Tigers showing up out of the blue to kill.
No IRA action anywhere except Ireland and England. No ETA action outside of Spain. No FARC action outside Colombia. No Hutus killing Tutsis outside Rwanda.
Muslims, on the other hand, are at it in many countries. Big difference.
anonymous,
Regarding the fact that the Qu'ran is the work of a 7th century schizophrenic -- yes, it is.
And furthermore, the Bible is another book of fiction that has its share of devoted readers.
But there is a difference. There are NO Christian theocracies in the world and NO governments that based their legal systems on the contents of the Bible.
You really need to get something clear in your head -- the Separation of Religion and State.
The Qu'ran is clear that it is the final word on every aspect of life. This outrageous claim would mean little if there were no governments operating on this lunacy. However, over a billion people live in countries in which life is regulated by the Qu'ran.
The most striking aspect of these countries is how close their contemporary life is to life in the 7th century.
Islam is the reason the muslim world is a backwater in every way. Islam is the death of innovation and imagination. It is the most dogmatic religion that has ever plagued the planet.
As for the death penalty and your understanding of geography, well, in Europe there is no death penalty. Meanwhile, Belarus is not in "traditional Europe."
Apparently you want to split hairs on this issue. However, even though you want to torture the data to make it fit your view, the fact that the best you can do is to identify a former Soviet Union republic as a country that employs the death penalty makes my statement even clearer.
The Soviet Union had no compunction about executing people. Stalin was good for wiping out an estimated 30 million. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union had its troubles with muslims too.
Filthy language (we've all heard it) adds nothing to civil discussion...Nothing!
When intelligent women & men read this stuff, they will often tend to move on to more productive areas, where better chats, plus solid info (that you do provide) are more likely in evidence.
A "moderated" open format may be the best option...unless the volume of comments is a primary goal. (Just a thought.)
Permitting the mentally defective,
and the hate-mongers on this site is your choice, so that's all I should say about it.
No offense intended Mr. no_slappz, but guys like Mahir add nothing to this otherwise fine blog-effort to inform the unaware. reb
lol so if you're referring to the 1st amendment, which also gives freedom of religion
you have no right to say anything bad about islam.
idrc what you think, but it's pretty annoying
it would still be annoying if it wasn't islam, since frankly, i dont care too much for religion atm
and snake hunters, fyi, if it adds nothing, which it does, then it shouldn't affect you
and intelligent my ass, that's something no_slappz obviously isn't
if you want something to actually inform the unaware in a more APPROPRIATE manner, then check out the new york times or another RESPECTED paper with a good reputation. and i WILL get back to those other comments tomorrow or the day after. whenever i get time
mahir, you wrote:
"if you're referring to the 1st amendment, which also gives freedom of religion you have no right to say anything bad about islam."
I see that when it comes to the US Constitution and the basic freedoms of Americans, you are totally clueless.
The First Amendment grants the Right of Free Speech. It, as you said, grants the Right of Freedom of Religion.
Freedom of Religion MEANS the GOVERNMENT cannot establish a RELIGION.
That is the possibly the BIGGEST difference between a FREE country and an OPPRESSIVE regime.
Islam PROHIBITS the formation of a government with more power than the religion itself.
Anyway, the First Amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
In other words, the Constitution protects my right to state whatever I like about Islam or any other religion. Too bad for you if you find my statements upsetting.
As for your assessment of the NY Times, I can only say you that your judgment is limited. The paper is good in many ways, and very bad in others.
Ask yourself why muslim countries are so pathetically backward.
Mr. Mahir said about the NY Times..."a respected newspaper" ->
Whoops, I don't think so! The NYT is rapidly losing Circulation & Advertising Revenues Nation-wide,
since that full-page MoveOnDotOrg ad bum-rapping a brilliant four-star general on September 10, 2007, page 25...with a bold-faced headline > GENERAL BETRAYUS, followed by "Cooking the Books for the White House."
For Top Journalistic Standards see CNN's Lou Dobbs, or Fox Editor Britt Hume or Charles Krauthammer! These gentleman are Journalists!
reb
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Good job, Winfred. I'm glad you've resolved the topic. Where would this conversation be without you steering it back on course?
"Fight and slay the Pagans whereever ye find them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategm of war." Qur'an 9:5
Christian Franks did this much more efficiently. Only Pagans wanted Pagans.
Actually, no_slappz, now that you mention it. You're a lot like Stalin! You fear religion because it makes people disagree with you so you will go to any extent to denounce it. For example, you'll post ignorant crap on your blog and then make multiple arguments that you don't actually seem able to back up (at least not correctly). And from your comments, I feel that if given the opportunity, you would probably wipe out Islam yourself.
And by the way, Belarus is not part of "traditional Europe". What the hell does that mean? Belarus is in between Russia and Poland BOTH of which are in Europe (admittedly, Russia extends out of Europe and into Asia but it is part of Europe as well. Don't hide behind your factual error by creating a "traditional" version of a continent. To make it easier for you to see how wrong you were, I'll even post a link for a map!!
http://aci.byelarus.com/index.php?p=3
You're Welcome!
Next, although you responded to my post about how the IRA terrorized Ireland, you never answered the question I asked. I'll restate it just in case you didn't comprehend what I was asking. I'll put it in in all caps and it's own paragraph so that this time you can't miss it!!
ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE TERRORIST ACTS OF THE IRA IN NORTHERN IRELAND STAYED IN NORTHERN IRELAND, THE EFFECTS (DEATHS AND INJURIES) WERE ANY LESS TRAGIC, OR THAT THE TERRORISTS WERE LESS GUILTY OR DANGEROUS?
Also, how exactly is a student acting out to get out of a test or get some attention a demonstration of that student's terroristic behavior? Does it demonstrate disruptive behavior, yes, of course, but terroristic? Give me a break! That's like saying that if a kid knocks over a lit candle to get his parents' attention, setting fire to a carpet he is demonstrating terrorist tendencies. Disruptive does not equal terrorist! If I ran through the hallway at school (prior to the lock-down) banging on the doors, that is disruptive, not an act of terrorism.
And I admit that minors get big breaks. Big breaks when it comes to punishment, not records. THEY WILL NOT ERASE THIS FROM HIS RECORD. NO MATTER WHAT PLEA DEAL HE MAKES. This is not a movie, wake up and look around. The judicial system has a certain structure. If you are going to comment on it, you ought to know it better first!
Next, I agree that some of my comments were indeed personal attacks. I think you are a bored ignorant idiot who refuses to admit that he is wrong, and who has terrible grammar. However, I have two notes on this. First, when I bring up things like Belarus, the IRA, Christianity, etc. I am not attacking you personally. If you feel that my talking about things like Belarus, the IRA, Christianity, etc. is a personal attack, then you can add pretentious to the aforementioned personal insults. Second, you insult Islam as a whole and refuse to consider the possibility of the need for a person to person analysis. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. In fact, Islam is such a large belief system that if the majority of its followers were terrorists who sought only to kill everyone who did not believe in Allah then you and I would probably already be dead. So, by making such a general attack you are personally attacking every follower of Islam who leads a life that you might call 'good' or 'normal' or however you wish to define it. Furthermore, aside from killing, aren't you also acting like a radical (like the people you would call 'jihadists') by making these generalizations and accusing Muslims of being terrorists?
By the way, there is no "panic" at Stuy. There is worry and a bit of anxiety (on the part of the administration) but "panic" is not an accurate description. You would know that if you were in anyway connected to Stuyvesant, which, you obviously are not (did you see that! That was a mixture of a fact and a personal attack on you!!!!).
I would now like to refer to a post you previously made. You told a commenter that when they accused you of thinking that Stuy was filled with communists because the majority of the population is Asian they were wrong. You said they were wrong in their assumption that communism was a biological trait. However, you argue in a way that makes it seem like you believe that Islam is a biological trait. Do you? Do you think it is programmed into peoples' DNA? If not, please openly admit that because in your response you seemed to shy away from saying so.
Now onto other matters, separation of church and state. That concept does not exist in the idealistic state that you talk about it in. "In God we trust", "One nation under God", the fact that religious leaders are met with as if they were politicians, the fact that all of the US presidents have been christians. Those things are evidence that it is not possible for us to separate church and state completely.
And finally, you said that I have no idea whether or not Hassan is or is not a current or future jihadist. That is partially true, however, neither do you! And since I am more similar to him than you are, I think that my ability to say that he is not a jihadist is far stronger than yours. After all, you have no idea what this kid's life is like, what this kid's school is like, and you don't know him! So don't try to rebuke my arguments by criticizing my backed up conclusions when this whole blog is about your unsubstantiated assumptions!
I support the death penalty. Why warehouse the animals found guilty of heinous crimes for three or four decades? Lex-tal, "an eye for an eye." reb
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anonymous, you asked:
"Also, how exactly is a student acting out to get out of a test or get some attention a demonstration of that student's terroristic behavior?"
If a student wants to avoid a test, then the student should pretend to be sick and stay home on test day.
If a student sets a fire, he is attempting, and in this case succeeding, to create enough chaos to disrupt the operation of the school. That is low-grade terrorism.
Though a burning trash can in a bathroom is unlikely itself to cause a major fire in the building, other problems are possible. Like panic among evacuating students.
People get crushed to death attempting leave crowded buildings.
As for Stalin and me, well, your assessment is too silly for a response.
Regarding "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland, well, there was only one point I was making. The point is about the goals of terrorism. The problems of Northern Ireland were confined to England and Ireland. Why? Because the two sides were fighting a local fight.
Islam is different. It is Muhammad's stated goal to create a global caliphate. That grand desire would mean nothing if it were to remain as a simple but unsought ideal. Unfortunately, a lot of muslims are out there trying to realize Muhammad's dream.
Lastly, on my map of the world, Belarus is not in Europe. Too bad for you if that upsets you.
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